Fallout 4

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  1. Brandybuck
    Mar 21, 2016
    9
    Will you get your money's worth out of this game? Yes! I have 250 hours on a single character in this game, more than twice the hours than any other game in this series, and am on my second playthrough. This game captures the spirit of the Fallout universe perfectly. Not too serious but not too silly. There are funny moments, bittersweet moments, and "OMG Lookatthat!" moments. The worldWill you get your money's worth out of this game? Yes! I have 250 hours on a single character in this game, more than twice the hours than any other game in this series, and am on my second playthrough. This game captures the spirit of the Fallout universe perfectly. Not too serious but not too silly. There are funny moments, bittersweet moments, and "OMG Lookatthat!" moments. The world and environment are rich, and are almost characters in their own right. It's has the best storyline Bethesda has ever created, but beyond the story there is a huge wealth of content. The game is a fusion of RPG and FPS, but it's not an old school style RPG, nor is it a twitchy FPS. This is the best open world sandbox game I have ever seen. This is a game for explorers and builders. My advice is to turn off the quest markers and take one's time checking out the world, rather than trying to rush through the story line as fast as one can. One could compare this to a Skyrim with a better sandbox, or a Morrowind with better quests.

    The combat is far superior to the prior titles, but it doesn't need a twitchy trigger finger to succeed. The VATS system is now slow motion, instead of a time stopper that it was in Fallout 3. Bethesda has also doubled down on the crafting, which is optional for those that are not into that. The crafting includes chems, cooking, modding weapons, armor, and power armor, and even building your own network of settlements and caravans. Player freedom is everywhere in the game.

    Finally, the NPCs are superb. Nearly every NPC is unique, even those that are generically named "Settler" or "Guard". Even the raiders have personalities. The companions are the best in the series, with wonderful voice acting, and most with extensive backstories. They are no longer slavish followers, but have their own likes and dislikes. The player character is also voice acted, and while this may dismay some users preferring older style games, the acting is superb and does not detract from the roleplaying.

    I recommend this game for those who enjoy the Bethesda style of open world roleplaying games.    … Expand
  2. Maxreviews420
    May 6, 2016
    9
    Alright I have never played a fallout game before this but I have seen the others and this is so damn fun that it's hard to get away from but it still has some terrible sides like being more of a shooter than an RPG and sometimes getting plain boring if you've done everything so apart from that check out this game
  3. SirFrolo
    Jun 8, 2016
    9
    Brilliant and fun game, amazing story, amazing environment, so much fun, over 100+ hours invested so far. Gave it a 9 because i just wish Bethesda would use a updated engine.
  4. smobo1
    Aug 16, 2016
    9
    Fallout 4 is an excellent game. It's hard to play this game without imagining how much better it could have been if it had more polish, more impressive and optimized graphics, and more interesting quest content. However, it has everything I wanted from a new Fallout game, and there is just no substitute for that.
  5. sgthombre
    Sep 26, 2016
    9
    I'm just writing at least 150 characters because I wanted to save this review in a more convenient way to look back at scores that I had given stuff as a user.
  6. MNCCritic
    Sep 14, 2016
    9
    I think the user reviews on this product are largely unfair and are the product of entitlement. This is a seriously well crafted product with a big story and lots of innovation over previous Bethesda titles. It isn't perfect, but it will consume hours and hours of you time.

    Now that I have defended it, I will briefly criticize its faults: 1) The fallout series needs a reboot. Drop the    I think the user reviews on this product are largely unfair and are the product of entitlement. This is a seriously well crafted product with a big story and lots of innovation over previous Bethesda titles. It isn't perfect, but it will consume hours and hours of you time.

    Now that I have defended it, I will briefly criticize its faults:
    1) The fallout series needs a reboot. Drop the canon. It is getting more ridiculous with each release...and this does not, in my opinion, work as well as it once did. Pushing reality works better if there is some basis to push from. Make the game environment much more believable...and write it from the present perspective with a retro flavor. Then introduce your wonderful capacity for humor and intrigue.
    2) Drop the terrible PIP boy graphics, bad functionality and interface. It's too important. Most gamers are not old enough to remember these graphical systems anyhow. Use a smart phone layout with LCD, simulated finger swipe, holograms and a whole suite of real next gen technologies then make it retro.
    3) Commit to the new features ...
    - Base building was a brilliant feature that was really underdone ... third party mods were essential but it was still lacking.
    - Legendary creatures and weapons were totally underdeveloped. Screwed up game play. Personally, I think they are a just not a fit for this game (a Borderlands like feature), and would be better to DLC them properly for enthusiasts.
    - if you are adding characters with more depth (a la BioWare), do more...but this was not a bad evolution from earlier titles ... I just see the potential.
    4) Know your setting and work within it. Steam engines, pocket watches, and water-cooled machine guns (the assault rifle) are not rooted in the fifties, but in earlier decades. There are many examples of these mismatches.
    5) Will the next city also be un-nuked? I assume it will be New York. Really? After Armageddon and 200+ years, New York and other major cities would not exist at all. An incinerated pancake buried by erosion. Back to point one about believably.    … Expand
  7. Viryel
    Sep 22, 2016
    9
    I have the game with the season pass. I would say that this is a great game, nice game mechanics, very very very long, but sometimes I feel that it could be better on make decisions / rpg system; previous fallout was better in rpg system. I can't really understand why people rate zero, that's totally no sense. If you are not sure, buy it, I suggest you this great game. Don't trust othersI have the game with the season pass. I would say that this is a great game, nice game mechanics, very very very long, but sometimes I feel that it could be better on make decisions / rpg system; previous fallout was better in rpg system. I can't really understand why people rate zero, that's totally no sense. If you are not sure, buy it, I suggest you this great game. Don't trust others very bad ratings, it's frustrated people who cannot enjoy their games.… Expand
  8. hockeyfn91
    Oct 3, 2016
    9
    Here is the real story. The game is awesome and the only thing stopping it from being a perfect 10/10 is glitches. There are random times when the game will get stuck. You will do everything you are supposed to do, and yet the game gets stuck and you cannot progress down that particular story line any further. The only way to fix this is to reload a previous save, thus forcing you to redoHere is the real story. The game is awesome and the only thing stopping it from being a perfect 10/10 is glitches. There are random times when the game will get stuck. You will do everything you are supposed to do, and yet the game gets stuck and you cannot progress down that particular story line any further. The only way to fix this is to reload a previous save, thus forcing you to redo things you have already done.

    This, and I grant that it is a big flaw, does not prevent this from being a landmark game in this genre. Now a days every developer is so infatuated with the idea of multi player. Bethesda has not yet infected their games with an online multi-player.... yet.

    Fallout is huge, expansive, immersive and one hell of a lot of fun to play. It is challenging without being to easy and not being to difficult. Get overly cocky or careless and that rad scorpion will kick your ass. Walk in guns blazing to a group of super mutants... and they will put you down. Enemies are diverse and some are creepy as hell. I cannot stand blood bugs and bloat flies and love locking on with VATS and watching their grisly demise in slow motion.

    People that hate the game over its various glitches I understand having to reload saves and go back to an earlier point is frustrating. Get past this and you have a near endless world to explore and how you conquer its many challenges is totally up to you. You dont like being diplomatic? Kill everyone in the room. The choice is yours.    … Expand
  9. vboy960
    Dec 22, 2016
    9
    Ok, so my first review on Metacritic! I'm not a hardcore Fallout fan (The only two I've played is Fallout: New Vegas and FO4). I can very easily see for the hardcore fans of Fallout why this game is such a disappointment. However if you are fairly new to the series...this is a good game at it's core. I will say this game without no potential to be modded....would be an average to goodOk, so my first review on Metacritic! I'm not a hardcore Fallout fan (The only two I've played is Fallout: New Vegas and FO4). I can very easily see for the hardcore fans of Fallout why this game is such a disappointment. However if you are fairly new to the series...this is a good game at it's core. I will say this game without no potential to be modded....would be an average to good game. The graphics and worldspace won't blow you away like Witcher 3 does. If you have "beastly" PC, you can make Fallout 4 a whole different experience. There is some great texture mods, and mods that fill in the "gaps" so to speak. I currently run about 230 mods with FO4 and it looks just as good as Witcher 3 does. I know having a computer that can run 4K texture mods or that many mods is not an option for everyone. We have a wonderful modding community and encourage anyone to enjoy and endorse their hard work. I personally love the settlement building and defending them (and there are many, many mods that expand this feature). The crafting systems are excellent and Survival mode is awesome. All is not pretty with FO4. Character animations need work, Being able to be evil or good and having your decisions have more moral impact in the world (like Witcher 3) would be awesome. I found the story line good. Quests are redundant, but I enjoy being out in the worldspace exploring and doing things so not so redundant for me. Anyway, in a nutshell, if you have a capable computer, go to Nexus and start modding your Fallout today!… Expand
  10. Naomii
    Dec 27, 2016
    9
    So listen, the first time I played a Fallout game was Fallout: New Vegas and when I heard this was coming out I just knew I ha to get it. The thing about these games is that this gives you an opportunity to EXPLORE. It's super important, this is not a game to be rushed. I would really advise people to go everywhere and explore every inch of everything all the time, theres so much stuff. ISo listen, the first time I played a Fallout game was Fallout: New Vegas and when I heard this was coming out I just knew I ha to get it. The thing about these games is that this gives you an opportunity to EXPLORE. It's super important, this is not a game to be rushed. I would really advise people to go everywhere and explore every inch of everything all the time, theres so much stuff. I personally think the character creation is amazing and I love the hair movement and details in the outfits. Your character can finally speak and you can really shift a situation based solely on what you say at times. The reason I gave it an 9 was about the storyline is pretty repetitive and those minuteman missions sometimes are a pain in the ass. I also experienced glitches...but like, characters disappearing and never seen again glitches. I also wish there was more ways to be part of a faction like in New Vegas, when you can blend in with an outfit. Other than that it's worth every penny.… Expand
  11. AlexanderDM
    Mar 20, 2017
    9
    This game has flaws, including dialogue, some half-baked characters, and rather repetitive shooter-based quests. I 100% recognize the lack-of-choice nature of these flaws takes away from some core fallout feeling.

    That said, a failure to meet hype does not make for a bad game. This is still a top 10% title, with an incredible rebuild-the-world construction system, well-tuned and    This game has flaws, including dialogue, some half-baked characters, and rather repetitive shooter-based quests. I 100% recognize the lack-of-choice nature of these flaws takes away from some core fallout feeling.

    That said, a failure to meet hype does not make for a bad game. This is still a top 10% title, with an incredible rebuild-the-world construction system, well-tuned and well-conceived weapon and armor crafting, and tight visuals and combat. The story contains a very real debate on whether apparently-sentient machines should be granted human rights, and your macro play style does feel like an impassioned quest to fulfill your beliefs on the subject. Power armor is captured perfectly as the lore has described it, and Boston residents can't but get excited about the captured feeling of the city.

    Not as good as past Fallout titles, I'll agree, but a grade A game regardless.    … Expand
  12. CoreGamer1408
    May 31, 2023
    9
    Oh my I can go to Boston and the frame rate doesn't tank below 30 FPS like on the legacy PS4. I did three faction runs in PS4 750+ hours. Now I can do it all again in 60 FPS and high 40's to 50's in Boston.

    I stopped using the best version the Steam version after (IMO) Valve started selling borderline pedo sex games. Just using the PC M$ Game Pass version and it has a a weird gas can    Oh my I can go to Boston and the frame rate doesn't tank below 30 FPS like on the legacy PS4. I did three faction runs in PS4 750+ hours. Now I can do it all again in 60 FPS and high 40's to 50's in Boston.

    I stopped using the best version the Steam version after (IMO) Valve started selling borderline pedo sex games. Just using the PC M$ Game Pass version and it has a a weird gas can exploding bug that tanks the FPS to freeze frame (until the map and/or cells reset over a period of game days). Community modder made a hot fix. So thankfully I play the M$ version as good as Steam version now

    Fun shooter, looter, explorer, crafter, base builder game. When the story and missions get old all you got left is the local and gameplay anyway. The main story did give me some feels though. A person out of time who had lost so much on so many levels. Anyone married and/or with kids should be able to relate for sure. Weakest part is the exploration and local. FO3 is still king in both of those departments over FO4 (and FNV).

    Currently playing the M$ version on the M$ client. I ended up earning points which I transfered into vouchers to buy games two thirds way into run of FO4. Just by playing FO4 I got TEW and Deathwing both wiith all the DLC. Yeah M$ version is so best version lol.    … Expand
  13. Fouadmohamed
    Sep 28, 2017
    9
    This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. My first impression was very bad as most of these negative reviews, but when i understand the game and take my time to be aware with that amazing world i can say now it the most complete game that i have played in my entire life… Expand
  14. Angelonewarrior
    Apr 29, 2018
    9
    First of all, graphics is amazing, Huge ruins of Boston are like over the half of whole map, that`s also amazing thing. Another is weapon modification, where is possible to adjust best weapons you get exactly to your needs. Perks helps you to choose your play style so crazily, that you can be depend mostly on Luck, which is something I didn`t seen before. A lot of improvements in rpgFirst of all, graphics is amazing, Huge ruins of Boston are like over the half of whole map, that`s also amazing thing. Another is weapon modification, where is possible to adjust best weapons you get exactly to your needs. Perks helps you to choose your play style so crazily, that you can be depend mostly on Luck, which is something I didn`t seen before. A lot of improvements in rpg systems makes the game really separated from Skyrim. And also, you can build your own stuff in settlements and that is what makes me very happy and I was able to recreate some place from my hometown.… Expand
  15. Warlady
    May 4, 2018
    9
    I loved Fallout 4, I think it's the best one in the Fallout series. I would give it a 10 but pay for mod crap and it went down to a solid 9.
  16. Panzerbjorne39
    Jul 24, 2022
    9
    Unfortunate that so many people were motivated to review bomb the game with super low scores. I really don’t know what the problem is. It’s a great Bethesda game, much like FO3 but bigger and better. Like Skyrim, it’s packed to the brim with content and a huge area to explore. The world is alive and full of danger. Plenty of interesting characters to talk to and cool stuff to scavenge.Unfortunate that so many people were motivated to review bomb the game with super low scores. I really don’t know what the problem is. It’s a great Bethesda game, much like FO3 but bigger and better. Like Skyrim, it’s packed to the brim with content and a huge area to explore. The world is alive and full of danger. Plenty of interesting characters to talk to and cool stuff to scavenge. I’ve got over 30 hours in, and still much to do.… Expand
  17. DreamGary
    Dec 1, 2018
    9
    This is probably the best Fallout game, sorry but this is the truth. RPG mechanics are not as fleshed out as previous entries, but mechanics, locations, environment, characters (especially companions). Brownie points for the crafting, scrapping, and modding mechanics. Story will not blow you away, but there are choices given to you similar to New Vegas. The voiced protagonist: the voiceThis is probably the best Fallout game, sorry but this is the truth. RPG mechanics are not as fleshed out as previous entries, but mechanics, locations, environment, characters (especially companions). Brownie points for the crafting, scrapping, and modding mechanics. Story will not blow you away, but there are choices given to you similar to New Vegas. The voiced protagonist: the voice actors did a fantastic job, but I don't feel like the voiced protagonist fit well in the game.

    If you give this game a 0 because of "muh Fallout isn't RPG-like" you have bad opinions. Just play a game for fun, don't play a game because it isn't in a very specific genre.    … Expand
  18. Steprock
    Aug 9, 2021
    9
    Still an amazing game, even in 2021. As far as I can tell, the people who dislike it are the ones who are into the previous games.

    This one plays a lot like Skyrim, but with Fallout style.
  19. glomman
    Oct 12, 2019
    9
    Fallout 4 is one of my favourite games of all time, sure it's not a good RPG, but over the 1300 hours that I spend in the Commonwealth, I always found myself engaging in new situations.
    It especially excels in terms of Gameplay and sometimes even in terms of Story. The first one manifesting itself in the form of a superb crafting and fps system, which severely lacked in previous titles. I    Fallout 4 is one of my favourite games of all time, sure it's not a good RPG, but over the 1300 hours that I spend in the Commonwealth, I always found myself engaging in new situations.
    It especially excels in terms of Gameplay and sometimes even in terms of Story. The first one manifesting itself in the form of a superb crafting and fps system, which severely lacked in previous titles. I also love the environmental storytelling the game presents you, it's very intriguing to find out what happened at any given place without a person specifically telling you what exactly happened.
    I can more than recommend it, even more so today, it might not be a good rpg, but it's definetely a good Fallout game, and if that's not enough to convince you, you can basically get the game+its season pass for 15€-30€ in conventional stores.    … Expand
  20. specialist99
    Jul 21, 2019
    9
    gameplay is fun, npcs feel real and story is heavily effected by player's choices and actions. you can even join the villains!
  21. Lizarino
    May 31, 2020
    9
    This was the first Fallout game I played and I really enjoyed it.
    As someone who likes exploring every area it took me around 50 hours to complete the main storyline
    The settlement building is a nice addition, only con to the game is it crashed sometimes
  22. VigilanteOito
    Jan 27, 2021
    9
    Jogo gostoso de bom.
    É uma pena que comprei apenas a versão base.
    Vi poucos bugs e não estragou em nada a gameplay.
    Ansioso para que lancem outro Fallout tão bom quanto esse.
  23. moonlaba
    Jan 17, 2022
    9
    기술적인 진보와 컨텐츠의 내실, 두개다 하기에 인력이 부족하다면 그냥 닥치고 잘하는것만 하자고 해서 나온듯한 작품. 그리고 그들은 잘하는건 참 잘하긴했다.
  24. DeniMars
    Dec 12, 2019
    9
    Отличная игра, если не брать во внимание то, что диалоговое окно ужасно- герой говорит не то, что заявлено в строке выбора реплики, а так же ни к чему эта кинематографичная камера во время диалогов? Не люблю смотреть на своего персонажа со стороны. Теряется отыгрыш роли. А так же не нравится инвентарь. Листать этот список ну просто ооочень утомительно, что бы найти что то нужное среди кучиОтличная игра, если не брать во внимание то, что диалоговое окно ужасно- герой говорит не то, что заявлено в строке выбора реплики, а так же ни к чему эта кинематографичная камера во время диалогов? Не люблю смотреть на своего персонажа со стороны. Теряется отыгрыш роли. А так же не нравится инвентарь. Листать этот список ну просто ооочень утомительно, что бы найти что то нужное среди кучи всякого барахла. Экранчик инвентаря мелкий, раздражающий. Ну в целом мне понравилось, прошел дважды и конечные ощущения от игры положительные.… Expand
  25. Leonidmalkoff
    Feb 2, 2020
    9
    "Fallout 4, что же это такое?" - Задавался я этим вопросом на протяжении всей игры, на протяжении более чем 200 часов. Первое впечатление у меня было неоднозначным, казалось что это будет личная история главного героя, у которого отняли всё. Но ближе к середине, история стала глобальнее в разы, так как появились старые и новые знакомые в лице крупных фракций, которые придерживаются"Fallout 4, что же это такое?" - Задавался я этим вопросом на протяжении всей игры, на протяжении более чем 200 часов. Первое впечатление у меня было неоднозначным, казалось что это будет личная история главного героя, у которого отняли всё. Но ближе к середине, история стала глобальнее в разы, так как появились старые и новые знакомые в лице крупных фракций, которые придерживаются собственной идеологии. Конечно они испортили Братство стали, испортили в разы. Вместо суровой организации с практически полной секретностью, Bethesda сделала Братство как Fallout 3, только ещё хуже. Институт был придуман ещё во времена Fallout 3, там ему даже квест посвящён, но речь не о тех прекрасных временах, а о наших суровых временах и в них Институт не плох, но проходить за него игру я не стал, мне больше по душе Братство и Минитмены, за которых и я и прошёл игру. Минитмены отличная организация, мне она по душе сильнее всех остальных, организация со своими идеями и порядком. А вот Подземка меня разочаровала, я ожидал что они будут иметь при себе тайных информаторов в институте, но таковых я там увы не встретил, в остальном они какие-то бомжи из подвала церкви защищающие синтов. Сюжет здесь не сильно изменился в отличии от Fallout 3, просто поменяли местами сына и отца и добавили 4 сюжетных линии за 4 выше названные фракции. Прокачка стала хуже чем в Fallout 3, это система прокачки из какой нибудь Dragon Age, но никак не из Fallout.
    Квесты стали лучше чем в Fallout 3, но хуже чем в моём любимом Fallout: New Vegas. Есть реально интересные, а есть и квесты по типу убей врагов там и принеси вот это, такие задания порой очень бесят, они подходят для ММО, но никак не для RPG 2015 года. И да, в Fallout 4 должен был быть мультиплеер, но от него отказались. Персонажи, а особенно напарники стали глубже и интереснее, огромный шаг в сравнении с Fallout 3, но маленький шаг назад в сравнении с New Vegas, это касается и квестов напарников. Со звуком точно такая-же история.
    А вот что стало лучше в сравнении с New Vegas: графика, стрельба, дизайн уровней, противников и мира. Стрелять удобно, пушки ощущаются очень реалистично. Графика не супермегахит, но лучше чем в New Vegas. Мир выглядит разнообразным не только благодаря дизайнерам, но и благодаря тому что Bethesda убрала цветовой фильтр в мусорное ведро и правильно сделала, он резал глаза в Fallout 3 и Fallout New Vegas. Противники стали красивее.
    И главное - поселения! Я сейчас на полном серьёзе. Мне они понравилась.
    Вердикт - 9/10 "Шикарно!"    … Expand
  26. Hrebicek
    Apr 23, 2021
    9
    One of the best RPGs I've ever played:
    + story
    + characters
    + dialogue options with big consequences
    .....

    - quite buged few years after release, but thats not big problem I think
    - not in game graphics settings
    ...

    9/10
  27. apokalipto
    Aug 8, 2023
    9
    Very good game. I enjoyed playing this game a lot. I strongly recommend this.
  28. RinKaiG
    Nov 16, 2020
    9
    Fallout 4 would be a masterpiece if it was a smaller map and a bit more story-driven game, but fallout 4 still a good game for this gameplay mechanics and dialogs. but...
    Fallout 4 a Masterpiece for this Soundtracks...
  29. TheWeeOne
    Apr 19, 2021
    9
    I really liked it. Expect at least 3-4 playthroughs. The only dissapointing thing weas that there werent a lot of quests fter the end of the game.
  30. JackPlack
    Jun 24, 2022
    9
    Today its a best game of Bethesda, but only if u like base building/settler games. Dialogues are little like bad joke sometimes. What is strongest point? Mods (game is nearly immortal with them, until Starfield after few years maybe). Story - isnt best but i remember more than from New Vegas. New Vegas for example is game for one time. Fallout 4 is little more like Minecraft, gatheringToday its a best game of Bethesda, but only if u like base building/settler games. Dialogues are little like bad joke sometimes. What is strongest point? Mods (game is nearly immortal with them, until Starfield after few years maybe). Story - isnt best but i remember more than from New Vegas. New Vegas for example is game for one time. Fallout 4 is little more like Minecraft, gathering resources, building, customizing armor, weapons, large amount of freedom and own targets/playstyle, sandbox. There is huge amount of features that cant be compared with other games. Only badly designed Fallout 76 and great Skyrim are close. Fallout universum is also unique. 70' vintage style, caps, nuka cola,... Lot of games have not so complete unique style/universum ideas and lot of things are not like Elden Ring/jRpg random mix named "Art Masterpiece"… Expand
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  2. Mixed: 8 out of 38
  3. Negative: 0 out of 38
  1. CD-Action
    Feb 4, 2016
    80
    After terrible first couple of hours Fallout 4 pulled itself together and ultimately was almost as fun as The Witcher 3. There’s a huge chasm between these two games in terms of technology (F4 looks like a X360 game), but their open worlds are equally good and Bethesda did a better job with crafting. [01/2016, p.42]
  2. PCWorld
    Jan 19, 2016
    70
    This isn’t the step forward I expected, though. Here we are, the first Bethesda game on a new hardware generation, and I can’t help feeling like we’ve regressed—like Fallout 4 really is Oblivion-with-guns. A decade later, it certainly makes many of the same mistakes.
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  3. Pelit (Finland)
    Jan 4, 2016
    92
    It’s easy to get carried away by Fallout 4’s massive open world. While the gunplay is much improved and the quests fun, I found the UI lacking on the PC. The inventory and build menus are really tedious to use. [Dec 2015]
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