World of Warcraft: Shadowlands

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Generally unfavorable reviews- based on 2560 Ratings

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  1. wandreos
    Feb 12, 2021
    0
    This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. What was good got worse. Not to mention the mandatory change to a new version. We had a good game, but now we are forced to stay with the current one that was not good. Blizard is very greedy. He was an unconditional fan of the games: Diablo, Warcraft and Starcraft, but when she came up with this absurd limitation where she takes away the freedom in her games, she sucks and, honestly, I'm leaving her games aside. A feather. In the past I spent hours and hours playing games, today I have no pleasure in going back to her page. Unfortunate.… Expand
  2. scotlin
    Feb 11, 2021
    2
    After 16 years, this is the expansion that finally got me to quit.
    I had high hopes for it and paid for a 6 month subscription. After playing one month, I'm done.
  3. DirtyDooney
    Feb 9, 2021
    2
    Beautiful locations interesting story that leave questions to unravel however the gameplay leaves much to be desired. Shadowlands doesn't feel much different from Battle for Azeroth and doesn't exactly bring anything new to the world of Warcraft. The game feels like its designed to be a massive time sink with no reward.
  4. Nerevarinho
    Feb 9, 2021
    3
    Had a long break after Vanilla-WotLK, I'm back in WoW after more than 10 years, because I found the new cinematics exciting. I come in there and almost fall asleep while I am questing. There is hardly any challenge, hardly any exploration, you are led from questhub to questhub. Pure therapy and hardly bearable without podcasts in the background. It's just an action bar minigame, all mobsHad a long break after Vanilla-WotLK, I'm back in WoW after more than 10 years, because I found the new cinematics exciting. I come in there and almost fall asleep while I am questing. There is hardly any challenge, hardly any exploration, you are led from questhub to questhub. Pure therapy and hardly bearable without podcasts in the background. It's just an action bar minigame, all mobs can be processed in the same way, the pseudo-mini-bosses are all the same, you just have to keep moving a bit, also as in WloD (had a quick look inside). Many quests are only told in speech bubbles, that feels so low-budget when you are used to GW2. I hardly noticed anything from the epic Sylvanas story, just a little at the beginning, I'm now at lv 57. I hope that the dungeons in the end game will be at least challenging and exciting ..
    Maybe indirectly to Shadowlands because I don't know when the innovations were introduced: Not only have the capabilities been changed, I don't like the new sound design at all. And I don't like the new face models and the new running animation either. So my Paly no longer looks and feels like my good old Paly, this is someone else, I have no more connection to him. For me this is a different MMORPG than it was back then.    … Expand
  5. juixd
    Feb 9, 2021
    0
    Chato demais, wow deixou de ser bom tem muito tempo.. promoções pagas para streamers dizerem como está bom, torghast é chato e vc é obrigado a fazer se quer um pouco competitivo, loot de dg ta horrivel, pve obrigado a fazer pvp para ter gear e por ai vai.. jogo acabou.
  6. sijjvravisz
    Feb 8, 2021
    1
    This is likely to tank HARD. Already, the general forum is half "I love it" and half "this is boring garbage". Usually (and yeah, I've played this game on and off for 16 years so I do know what I'm talking about white knights) the first few weeks of any expansion, the forums are a love-fest. Even WOD and BFA were received with initial glowing reviews from players and critics.

    This one?    This is likely to tank HARD. Already, the general forum is half "I love it" and half "this is boring garbage". Usually (and yeah, I've played this game on and off for 16 years so I do know what I'm talking about white knights) the first few weeks of any expansion, the forums are a love-fest. Even WOD and BFA were received with initial glowing reviews from players and critics.

    This one? Is just horrifically boring, grindy right off the bat, gated right away, linear, and poorly written. And that's it for WoW for me, too. I skipped a few expacs before because they were garbage (WOD, BFA, and MOP because the theme was just...lol no). But y'know, when I start disliking more expacs in a game that I like? It's time to drop that game for good. And I'm not alone in that regard, either.    … Expand
  7. kalimarah
    Feb 7, 2021
    3
    I am a jaded, but devoted WoW player. Shadowlands, simply put is not one of their better expansions. Gameplay has been discuss extensively by other reviews, so I'll mention somethign different: metaphysics.

    Normally, you don't need to pay much attention to game metaphysics. However, if you are going to create an expansion about the afterlife, I would expect at minimum a committee    I am a jaded, but devoted WoW player. Shadowlands, simply put is not one of their better expansions. Gameplay has been discuss extensively by other reviews, so I'll mention somethign different: metaphysics.

    Normally, you don't need to pay much attention to game metaphysics. However, if you are going to create an expansion about the afterlife, I would expect at minimum a committee meeting to decide how the afterlife works. Is the Shadowlands where dead people's souls go for eternity, like in Christian and Greek mythos? Can the dead die in the Shadowlands? What happens if they die? If they are dead already, shouldn't they just reform after a while? If not and they truly disipate into nothing, then it is not really the land of the dead - its a second life. Can you harvest them for anima? I have no idea what the Shadowlands is supposed to be. I'm pretty sure the developers don't either.

    Then there is anima. In Oribos, we are told deserving souls used to go to their rightful place (ala Christian mythos), but then something bad happened and now all souls go to the Maw. Was a developer watching, "The Good Place"? Then we find out there is an anima drought. A what? Turns out the entire afterlife is powered by the souls of dead people. When a buddy of yours dies on Azeroth, they go through the death funnel and are ground-up into anima. Soulent Green is people!

    I hate to say this, but traveling the zones hearing each complain about their anima drought left a bad taste in my mouth. The next 10 levels you just run from one place to another watching it fall apart, because they don't have enough ground-up souls to power their magic. How is this different than the warlock Guldan using souls for his foul magics? I kept thinking that this whole place is evil and needs to be burned to the ground. I'm pretty sure this not what the developers intended, but they should have taken a moment to think through their world.    … Expand
  8. mustafa889
    Feb 7, 2021
    1
    one for PVP vendors but the gearing system sucks you should do pve to be able to compete in PVP toghast is pointless at least they could put one loot after last boss or 8 th layer or being able to buy some gear with soul ash whatever I have 20 more days to play but i am not finding myself to play it because I feel like it is a second job not fun only grind and here you get 3 useless PVPone for PVP vendors but the gearing system sucks you should do pve to be able to compete in PVP toghast is pointless at least they could put one loot after last boss or 8 th layer or being able to buy some gear with soul ash whatever I have 20 more days to play but i am not finding myself to play it because I feel like it is a second job not fun only grind and here you get 3 useless PVP trinkets for one week worth of effort i missed old tier system at least when you kill a boss you get valor points to buy some gear they keep adding new systems that nobody cares like soul binds its just another talent tree i feel bored and playing Skyrim and enjoying every second not doing chores.… Expand
  9. empre123
    Feb 7, 2021
    0
    Let's talk about wow

    First of all in my opinion the game is over rated. You must grind hard in order to get items that barley give you something The mechanics in that game are so old and lame it's unbelievable people are willing to pay for it and on top of that the PVP is the worse part The pvp system is absolutely the worse i ever saw, the mechanics are totally crap and there is    Let's talk about wow

    First of all in my opinion the game is over rated.
    You must grind hard in order to get items that barley give you something
    The mechanics in that game are so old and lame it's unbelievable people are willing to pay for it and on top of that the PVP is the worse part
    The pvp system is absolutely the worse i ever saw, the mechanics are totally crap and there is classes that so unbalanced and overpowered that you can't do much even if you managed to get some good items after a hard grind.

    anyway if you looking to waste some time and money and you are super rich and bored this game is for you.    … Expand
  10. velyref
    Feb 5, 2021
    3
    Nearly every aspect of this expansion is disappointing. Story narrative is weak. No new gameplay mechanics, it is the same expansion we've seen like 4 times already?

    High-level content is disastrously boring: they make you do more quests after you've done a **** ton of them already. Also weekly cooldown for the story questline is ridiculous. World quests are boring. Dungeons are    Nearly every aspect of this expansion is disappointing. Story narrative is weak. No new gameplay mechanics, it is the same expansion we've seen like 4 times already?

    High-level content is disastrously boring: they make you do more quests after you've done a **** ton of them already. Also weekly cooldown for the story questline is ridiculous.

    World quests are boring. Dungeons are boring. Artwork is boring. Game design is boring. The game IS BORING.    … Expand
  11. taw5022
    Feb 4, 2021
    7
    It's better than BFA. I came back to WOW when Legion was launched. That was by far my favorite Xpac and the last one I played the whole way through. I've played everyone since and usually I hang around until the 2-3rd raid drops and by then I've lost interest. I didn't make it midway through BFA's first raid cycle.

    Pros: Art design is great and so is the music. I've enjoyed the story    It's better than BFA. I came back to WOW when Legion was launched. That was by far my favorite Xpac and the last one I played the whole way through. I've played everyone since and usually I hang around until the 2-3rd raid drops and by then I've lost interest. I didn't make it midway through BFA's first raid cycle.

    Pros:
    Art design is great and so is the music. I've enjoyed the story so far. Being able to upgrade equipment via anima is a nice change and allows a filthy casual like me to actual obtain some decent gear without having to raid constantly and pray to the RNG gods. There is a lot to do. You can craft legendaries which makes them a bit more meaningful than some previous iterations and there are no artifacts this time around thankfully.

    Cons:
    There is a lot to do, which is good and bad. This xpac feels extremely grindy. The world quests are lack luster and only gathering anima to upgrade gear or further your story seems worth it but barely. The Maw zone is ok but the amount of stuff you'd want to do there is limited by the rising difficulty of you actually being there. There is a mechanic that causes you to be targeted by mobs the more you do in the Maw. It doesn't take much to set that off and it's rather annoying. Torgast in theory sounds like a cool idea but in execution is colorless and bland. It's the same mobs, the same rooms, the same color pallet, and it gets boring rather fast. I still don't have a reason to care about followers or the command table. Covenants directly tie into your game play and your choice in one affects either your possible DPS or healing. I would rather the covenant offer gear and other rewards vs having buffs and skills associated with this Xpac only that will become worthless in the next one. There are a few dungeons and they are ok but there is no need to do them outside of trying to get mythic + gear. I've done 2 and through questing my gear is better than what I could get from them unless I did a mythic +. The first raid I found enjoyable though. I'm running LFR, again because I'm a filthy casual but there seems to be a decent amount of mechanics that make each fight different and interesting.

    Overall, minus the really grindy feel, this Xpac isn't bad. It's not a Legion, WOTLK, or BC but it's not bad. It's certainly better than its predecessor, MOP, and WOD. Hopefully, it will continue to improve.    … Expand
  12. Apexmann
    Feb 4, 2021
    0
    Just a common zero for this sh*t they turned our lovely WoW into... No fresh ideas, just copy-paste from some Korean game industry trash plus all about strategy how to make you spend as much time (and money, ofc) in this so-called 'game'... WoW died after WotLK, and I have no hope Blizzard will rise again as a gamemaker, not as a moneymaker they turned into.
  13. LexCartman
    Feb 3, 2021
    0
    Bad game. Totaly stupid. Has nothing to do with the original Wow. It feels like a polished Browser Game but not like an epic rpg.
  14. Kanivor
    Feb 1, 2021
    0
    Впервые задумалась над удалением игры и поиском новой. В это говно желания играть нет. ВОВ мертв. Тупо трата времени ради НИЧЕГО. Такой помойки они еще не выпускали. Тупо высоска бабла
  15. somedude14
    Feb 1, 2021
    7
    At time of this writing, game isn't too bad. Most of the new dungeons are fun (Plaguefall is a bummer though), the raid is good, leveling dungeons are overtuned and the new Chromie Time system splits people up into their chosen xpacs when queuing in LFD which makes queue times longer than they otherwise could be. The Maw sucks, I haven't done it since the first week, but it's optional.At time of this writing, game isn't too bad. Most of the new dungeons are fun (Plaguefall is a bummer though), the raid is good, leveling dungeons are overtuned and the new Chromie Time system splits people up into their chosen xpacs when queuing in LFD which makes queue times longer than they otherwise could be. The Maw sucks, I haven't done it since the first week, but it's optional. Venthyr Command Table is still broken even with the buffs. I'm still saying subbed to play with friends and family, but there is definitely room for improvement here.… Expand
  16. Azragaash
    Jan 31, 2021
    0
    Unbalanced pvp arena and developers' unwillingness to fix one-shot mechanics.
  17. Spit79
    Jan 28, 2021
    0
    What a piece of rubbish... if blizz wants a win they should have simply re-skinned the first 3 expansions without adding any “improvements” or “features”.
  18. Violett
    Jan 27, 2021
    6
    First of all I must say that I play WoW for more then 16 years. I play probably because I got used to play WoW and all my friends are here, still for many years this game leaves only bitterness in my mouth.

    The main reason for the game to become worse in my point of view is the merge of Blizzard with Activision. Once Blizzard was making games for gamers - for computer nerds like me.    First of all I must say that I play WoW for more then 16 years. I play probably because I got used to play WoW and all my friends are here, still for many years this game leaves only bitterness in my mouth.

    The main reason for the game to become worse in my point of view is the merge of Blizzard with Activision. Once Blizzard was making games for gamers - for computer nerds like me. Such masterpieces like Warcraft 2-3, Starcraft, Diablo 1-2 - games with innovative ideas and genius story were released in that time. Unfortunately its long past. Now they make games for shareholders, not gamers - and we get such "wonderful" projects like Diablo Immortal and Warcraft Reforged.

    But back to the game review itself. First and foremost - the main problem is Blizzard has found some niche they can use now. Why make new raids when we can make several difficulties with the same bosses? Why make new dungeons when we can force people to run it many times over and over? These arrays of difficulties are always bad for any game. At least they dont force us to level again in some Shadowlands Plus Two.

    There is also another problem arising from the first one. Why make new content if people play this one? Why make new raids, dungeons, events, mechanics when people eat this? Why waste precious resources when we can show more profits to shareholders? The game is not for gamers, forget it. There was time when every new expansion added ton of new features.

    TBC: Major raid overhaul, new races, new classes for factions (pallyshammy), major item overhaul, many new mechanics, flying mounts, arenas, story around major characters like Vashj, KaelThas and of course Illidan. So many things!
    WotLK: Ulduar - probably the best raid ever made, new class, Arthas (!), and the most epoic fight with him, new profession, big additions both to pve and pvp. From this point, especially with introducing several difficulties the popularity of WoW start to decline.

    Now compare this to shadowlands: new mechanics? None. Keys? Seen already. Mission table? Seen already for 4 (!!!) addons. Professions are even more useless than ever. Torghast? Blizzard, when you try to steal from other games (in this case particulary - Hades) try better to copy things - not just to make some castrated copy, taking into account you are unable to make new ideas yourself anymore. Mage tower in Legion was fun - mostly because there was only a few events to complete and be done with that. Maw where you cant mount? This only provokes hate.

    Still, I cant say the game is bad. Its just from a masterpiece became ... generic? Ye, this is the best word. The game brings nothing really new for the last several addons. Like I said - why bother when people still play it? The next addon probably will be the same - shallow story, some Void-themed zones, one raid with only a few bosses, keys, useless professions, same talents, same BGs. Eh ...

    And once again - Shadowlands is not bad. I play Mythic keys myself and quite enjoy it. Graphically-wise the game is good - every zone has its own charm. The story obviously far from Blizzard used to make still follows general line - I liked to see some old characters returned. Cant wait to see Arthas once more, but, Im afraid, Blizzard will fail even here. New and the only one raid is average - nothing really new, still quite enjoyable.    … Expand
  19. RedTalonRedWate
    Jan 27, 2021
    0
    This is a horrid grindfest through repetitive zones through which you will absolutely be required to keep a resource like WowHead or IcyVeins open because the quests are so incredibly poorly explained that you'll need the help of comments sections to complete them.

    The style and nature of this grindfest seems to imply at some point that Blizzard will sell you faction tokens for 9.99 a    This is a horrid grindfest through repetitive zones through which you will absolutely be required to keep a resource like WowHead or IcyVeins open because the quests are so incredibly poorly explained that you'll need the help of comments sections to complete them.

    The style and nature of this grindfest seems to imply at some point that Blizzard will sell you faction tokens for 9.99 a pop to ease the pain like any pay to win MMO - and the grind is so painful you'll want to buy them.

    The Maw and Torghast are absolutely the worst. The Maw is a zone full of cheap assets that they popped the hitpoints way up on to artificially increase its difficulty, then denied you the use of a mount to get across the packed zones, then decided to slap you with a damage increase debuff because it's funny apparently, and then they hacked on a GTA-style "star warning" system to keep you from trying to grind out faction in there anyway in the name of All Holy Content Gating. You can eventually buy access to the in-zone port system after you've spent weeks (read: easily months, depending how casual you are) suffering through grinding out the faction for annoying NPC who will finally unlock your access all while complaining she needs your help but she doesn't truuuuuussst you, despite the storyline saying you're the All-Singing, All-Dancing Most Specialist Maw Walker That Will Save Us All. Uh huh.

    That the Maw and Torghast are required to get your basic gear loadout is pathetic. There's no point in grinding dungeons to get gear because the dungeons themselves are item level locked, and when you do finally get into one AND you're lucky enough to get a drop, the stuff that drops is inferior to what you already have. Just what I wanted to do - grind poorly thought out dungeons with frequent insta-gib mechanics in order to farm appearance slots.

    Torghast is flat out stupid. Every time you enter you're supposed to collect some special powers to help you finish the zone. I hear melee types love their special powers. I get stupid stuff like -10 seconds to a three minute cooldown I only rarely use, and wider ranges on AEs that only hit a limited number of targets anyway. I don't feel excited about this.

    I started WoW with this and I've just canceled my monthly billing. There's no fun involved.    … Expand
  20. esvator
    Jan 26, 2021
    7
    Shadowlands is a step in the right direction. To be honest: It's my first addon since Cataclysm. I came from classic and tryed it out. It was the first time within the last ~8 years, thet I was noch sick of after 20 minutes on a free2play weekend.
    The quests are nice, the world beautiful and super detailed, the combat system have never felt better. The dungeon/raid design is awesome and    Shadowlands is a step in the right direction. To be honest: It's my first addon since Cataclysm. I came from classic and tryed it out. It was the first time within the last ~8 years, thet I was noch sick of after 20 minutes on a free2play weekend.
    The quests are nice, the world beautiful and super detailed, the combat system have never felt better. The dungeon/raid design is awesome and the mythic system, too.

    It is a solid addon with nice content, BUT it has this big problem which I am not sure if they can ever fix it. WoW made a long journey to where it is now. Unfortunately a lot and I mean a lot decisions have been made that changed to game to what it is today and they can't be fixed.

    WoW tried to be an casual/pro gaming, long-time/half an hour per week game that everbody likes and that has nothing that you can dislike it in. Everything is fast and buyable and easy (i don't mean dungeion difficuly), cute and colorful and if you dont like anything you have 1000 alternatives.

    But those changed killed WoW has been and what it made so unique: a real MMO.

    I stopped playing because I felt like I had no reason to play, nothing to obtain beside some GS on the same item over and over again. The role of communication, knowing people, a Guild, be relieable has become unnecesarry.

    It is a fun game, but it's more a "single player MMO" and the replay factor is not half of what it was.    … Expand
  21. Kadyr777
    Jan 25, 2021
    3
    Originally this review started out as neutral as I was having fun in the beginning, but the longer I played..the more this expansion has made me angry. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually miss BfA.

    Pros: -Solo instanced content can be played with friends! I was able to enjoy nearly everything with my wife through the story including having her in cut scenes with me, which    Originally this review started out as neutral as I was having fun in the beginning, but the longer I played..the more this expansion has made me angry. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually miss BfA.

    Pros:
    -Solo instanced content can be played with friends! I was able to enjoy nearly everything with my wife through the story including having her in cut scenes with me, which is a huge deal for me.
    -Classes feel much more fluid in comparison to BfA, even though some are performing very poorly.
    -Story can be completed without needing to enter a dungeon

    Cons:
    -The balancing of certain classes makes them unplayable and even yeeted or not invited to groups. At the time of writing this my wife's havoc Demon Hunter and my arms warrior are in a meh spot, my warrior as protection gets absolutely deleted in high keystones. Balance of classes has been slow and underwhelming two months into Shadowlands.
    -High level keystones need to be kited as a tank, that's not tanking. You must play a vengeance Demon Hunter as a tank, or a fotm DPS if you want to progress stones.
    -Some important features are locked behind MSQ (this was a bad thing about FFXIV, not a good thing Blizzard).
    -No new classes or races, allied races still haven't received the love they deserve
    -The storytelling feels unengaging to me, as somebody who loves RPGs and a great story. I was ready to just be done halfway through Ardenweald.
    -Classes that were incredibly broken and fotm especially in pvp during prepatch are still running around melting. Tuning wasn't a priority and I'm not sure how long I'll have to endure some of these broken classes until they're fixed.
    -The new main city hub is literally just a circle, two floors of a circle........
    -Torghast (a huge portion of this expansion) is a direct copy of Final Fantasy XIV's Palace of the Dead / Heaven on High.
    -Yet again, more borrowed power with a very boring, unengaging and restrictive covenant system.    … Expand
  22. scabior1359
    Jan 25, 2021
    3
    As a World of Warcraft fanatic, it pains me to say how much I dislike this expansion. The storytelling is bad, the covenants are bad, the class balance is bad in both pvp and pve, the rewards for playing are non-existent. Very disappointed, for all of Battle for Azeroth's problems, it had noticeably more polish than Shadowlands. I hope that many of these problems will be fixed in the 9.1As a World of Warcraft fanatic, it pains me to say how much I dislike this expansion. The storytelling is bad, the covenants are bad, the class balance is bad in both pvp and pve, the rewards for playing are non-existent. Very disappointed, for all of Battle for Azeroth's problems, it had noticeably more polish than Shadowlands. I hope that many of these problems will be fixed in the 9.1 patch because as of right now I am unsubscribing.… Expand
  23. Schuld
    Jan 25, 2021
    1
    i dont know where to start...

    First Positve: -great Artwork -good looking Maps -The Classes have slightly more skills Neutral: -no real Cinematics anymore more Artworks (can be Pro and Con) -Levelsquish so the leveling doesnt take an eternity -you can take any old expansion to level Cons: -MANY Bugs, played 2 weeks and encounterd so many not working quests/perks/ or    i dont know where to start...

    First

    Positve:
    -great Artwork
    -good looking Maps
    -The Classes have slightly more skills

    Neutral:
    -no real Cinematics anymore more Artworks (can be Pro and Con)
    -Levelsquish so the leveling doesnt take an eternity
    -you can take any old expansion to level

    Cons:
    -MANY Bugs,
    played 2 weeks and encounterd so many not working quests/perks/ or even dungeons. Some dungeons are impossible to do because the scaling hurts so much. Best moment Maurodon Boss Immorthal hitting the tank with 3 hits out of existence. Tank 7k HP Boss 250k HP Hits with 3 K non crits and has a nondispellable Buff with 60% atk spd. GG

    -Scaling overall ->
    The strongest you are on lvl 1-10 after that with each level up you will get weaker. Only the numbers change up nothing more. Monsters take longer/more skills to kill them and so on. When you hit level 60 in continues the HP/DMG/Armor of the enemies increase as you gear up... thats a bad joke.after Itemlevel 170+ you slowy become stronger then the HP/armor stops but the dmg increases still. i did several testing and its frustrating... the best part i was rogue lvl 28 my finisher did 250 dmg then i leveld up and the same skill did now 246.
    lv28 - 250 dmg
    lv29 - 244 dmg
    ye.... makes sense to me
    Playing as heal is the same. your HP 5k - Tank HP 900, you heal him for a 4,5k healkrit and he only gets 10% hp back. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    -extremly time consuming (no rewards for what you are doing)

    -all equipment and rewards are the same set. only slightly diffrent colour
    Mainquest for the covenant give you 197 EQ in Gold/Silver, you rewards for several activities are the same set without setefffect without stats onyl "cosmetic" in teh same fuking colour, AND only you can wear it in the transmog, not your twink characters.

    -no balance in classes and in PVE/PVP
    so really non at all. getting deleted by the convenant skills..
    DH onehits you with the fae covenant skill. He turns blue and spins and runs you over. yes you get killed by sonic the hedgehog

    you wanna play pvp? cool start with playing pve do all the quest and get your free 197 PVE gear and if you wanna kill everything then do raiding and mythic+

    then you can start with the pvp 158 gear... ye right you start with 158. but dont worry you can upgrade it!
    only 1k-5k Honor per part and upgrade

    first upgrade
    PVP: 1000 Honor
    PVE: 50 Anima
    Now the best part is this. World quests gives you 50 Honor and 70 Anima.

    -all new zones have "mini"loadscreen not a single zone is connected to each other.
    you can NOT run/jump/fly or swim to another zone. "Lore" yes yes i know.

    -the new job system. getting old expansion smithing up? no chance

    you can feel the greed in the game. They want you to subs for a long time... and i have the feeling they dont even try to listen or fix things anymore.
    now im tired and the game will be deleted after the test playtime. "I am not angry with you, i only sad that you lost your way", Blizzard/Activision. - Uncle Iroh    … Expand
  24. Anatar90
    Jan 24, 2021
    0
    As every Blizzard product it is not a game it is a service for milking their playerbase. No fun, no rewards, extrimly toxic community of funboys. There are many good MMO's on the market with their own pros and cons but definitly better than WoW: Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy XIV, ESO. Beware of Blizzard false marketing machine!
  25. Ysgradude
    Jan 23, 2021
    0
    After the longest expansion ever, Battle for Azeroth, me as a player thought the game couldn't get worse from what it was, and how naive I was. The players in BfA were promissed a less grindy experience in the casual level, such as being viable the creation of alts and experience most of the game's worth in $$ by different classes, and since we are made to pay money for each expac and aAfter the longest expansion ever, Battle for Azeroth, me as a player thought the game couldn't get worse from what it was, and how naive I was. The players in BfA were promissed a less grindy experience in the casual level, such as being viable the creation of alts and experience most of the game's worth in $$ by different classes, and since we are made to pay money for each expac and a monthly fee, I'm pretty disappointed and convinced World of Warcraft: Shadowlands does not make up to its price. I'll list the pros and cons in this expac:

    PROS (some of these are to be expected since we're in 2020):
    - The grapphics are good keeping in mind that this is a 16 yold game, the color pallets are great and to be expected from the arts team that have been carrying the franchise since BfA
    - The Devs didn't manage to destroy the social profile that is raiding yet, one of the few pleasures in the game is to gather up to 10 or more players to do raids and talk and share memes, this is one of the core essentials of World of Warcraft that made it go boom since 2005. They didn't kill it yet, but they've definetly are trying with drop loots reduced in Shadowlands and the Death of Masterloot in BfA
    - The lore isn't so bad, we all know that the old World of Warcraft lore is pretty much spent and that's ok.

    Cons:
    - The grind is outworldly: You're the type that likes to play with your main and have some casual fun with your 2 alts? I'm sorry for you, it will take you many gameplay hours, layers, questing and weeks for you to put your alt at an acceptable efficiency, drop loots have been reduced DRASTICALLY in dungeons and raids, there are reputations that needs to be grinded so that you'll have nice upgrades as well as your covenant level that unlocks powerful traits to your class, so it all falls into grind-grind-grind-grind... so you really need to have that friendly party in your guild that will lend you a hand, if not... well, be prepared to spend $$ to play about 1/10 of the game with one class.
    - The PvP issue is still unsolved, and even worst: the PvP scalling introduced in BfA was bad, and the removal of it turned even worse. Gear ilvl matters in PvP and it is an advantage, either you have it or you'll be rekt. The problem is that this is an avalanche problem, since only ilvl matters now and PvP vendors are out, the amount of low geared toons queing into PvP to get their raiding gear is astronomical, Battegrounds are now most of the time decided by the team who has most ilvl, the games that there is a "struggle for a victory" are rare, and most are resumed by farming the enemy team or being afk dead because your team do not have the strength to fight. This makes casual PvP dead for most classes, and casual pvp is a player holder and keeps the game from decaying in the absence of new content.
    - Related to the issue above, gear loot is scarce, obliging PvErs to do PvP and PvPers to do PvE, you shouldn't be made to do something you don't like, that's why this is a game and not real life.
    - There is 4 covenants, if you're in a class that has one covenant for eachsituation (Venthyr for Raid, Night Fae for M+, Kyrean for PvP) you're basically fd, you must choose only one, and if doesn't fit your roleplay or tastes, too bad. And if you wan't to switch covenants, that's a shame, you'll have to farm everything back on your new covenant and there goes about 2 weeks of gameplay's worth... it makes me miss Azerite system, and I hated it.

    So if you're willing to waste your money on this, I'll give you an advice: role rogue or druid, mostly rogue, Blizzard is still trying to ruin the fun of stealth for about 4 years and they still didn't manage, so I think its more on the incompetence level on their part.    … Expand
  26. gw2
    Jan 23, 2021
    0
    the expansion becomes boring very quickly .better then bfa but still alot of stupid story holes and bad writing .
  27. Kaihon
    Jan 21, 2021
    10
    A lot of content and it's interesting, as well as a good first raid and other content
  28. Eggmungus
    Jan 21, 2021
    5
    As usual the art team did an amazing job with this expansion, however the actual gameplay is a bit of a let down. Torghast is horrible and unrewarding, The Maw is just boring and unrewarding, the incredibly short storyline is time gated to try and extend its duration and a lot of its progression is locked behind dungeons, raids, Torghast and the maw making the entire experience actuallyAs usual the art team did an amazing job with this expansion, however the actual gameplay is a bit of a let down. Torghast is horrible and unrewarding, The Maw is just boring and unrewarding, the incredibly short storyline is time gated to try and extend its duration and a lot of its progression is locked behind dungeons, raids, Torghast and the maw making the entire experience actually not fun to play. On top of everyting else loot is terrible in this expansion. I actually preferred BFA to this and that's just bad.… Expand
  29. MiriamW
    Jan 19, 2021
    3
    The game itself would be okay, but the players are ruining it - or better the "not-players": This game got a massive problem with bots, hacks and so on. Bad enough, even though Blizzard per se is banning accounts, sure, but they ban 3k and 10k get in. Well, no need to hurry for them, money is money, right?

    If you are getting annoyed about it, because people hack, use bots and/or simply    The game itself would be okay, but the players are ruining it - or better the "not-players": This game got a massive problem with bots, hacks and so on. Bad enough, even though Blizzard per se is banning accounts, sure, but they ban 3k and 10k get in. Well, no need to hurry for them, money is money, right?

    If you are getting annoyed about it, because people hack, use bots and/or simply grief, so they throw the game absolutely on PURPOSE, by completely ignoring ANY mechanic, then these griefer can simply report you and no GM will talk to you, you just get muted for calling them dumb or cheater - what they simply ARE, that's actually a quite nice word for them.

    So while the game per se would okay - even though it's of course stupid for example in PvP to have such a MASSIVE equipment difference, that's not PvP and it just pushes the problem with cheating in all kind of ways, what Blizzad per se acknowledges, but then is doing **** and even protects the griefer - it's ruined by cheater and other awful people an the fact that Blizzard GM play their brutal protectors.

    Well, if you defend scum, you get a game for and full of scum. Congrats for ruining your own game in such a stupid way. But you make enough money with all the bot accounts, so you don't care, right?    … Expand
  30. snaken
    Jan 16, 2021
    0
    Been playing this game for over 10 years, on and off, but mostly on. This is the most pathetic expansion yet, hands down. No contest. A lot of things are just broken by design so cannot and will not be fixed and the story is just boring. It's a linear and forced progression through useless uninspiring quests... Just imagine washing dishes for 8h each day every day. That's literarily theBeen playing this game for over 10 years, on and off, but mostly on. This is the most pathetic expansion yet, hands down. No contest. A lot of things are just broken by design so cannot and will not be fixed and the story is just boring. It's a linear and forced progression through useless uninspiring quests... Just imagine washing dishes for 8h each day every day. That's literarily the Shadownlands gameplay for you.

    On top of that, this new expo has 95% of female characters and protagonists. The main problem with this though is that all the male NPCs are dumb and evil, while female NPCs are smart and good. Just like IRL, right? Or perhaps someone is trying to push feminist agenda by force-shoving it down people's throats. You decide.

    Overall the game is simply distasteful and it's really a shame to see a once good game spoiled like this. Shame on you, Blizzard! You used to stand for quality. It's no surprise so many employees have left. Fortunately, some of them are starting game studios of their own. My money will go to them.    … Expand
  31. MonchitoPichon
    Jan 16, 2021
    3
    Extremely disappointing expansion. Boring is the best adjective to define it, sorry. 0 is out of line, but 5 is too much, honestly. 3/10
    They need to really hire a much better class designer, quick from the company the people taking care of pvp (seriously. incompetents) and much better story and content creators. Blizzard's level is going down and down every year
  32. Xsander
    Jan 16, 2021
    0
    Covenant system it's a big fail, can't play pve and pvp cuz of night fae ability for my hunter is the total trash in pvp but it's best covenant for pve. I don't like it when you need to choose only one direction pvp or pve.
  33. hungry_dingus
    Jan 15, 2021
    2
    4/10

    Time-gating and poor loot progression between PVE and PVP hinder replay value. The addition of a rogue-lite in the game was not at all innovative and has only become a vehicle for adding a time-sink with no real value. The final pin, the lack of effort in balancing classes. Ultimately it is an expansion that doesn’t respect the end user and panders largely to a smaller    4/10

    Time-gating and poor loot progression between PVE and PVP hinder replay value.

    The addition of a rogue-lite in the game was not at all innovative and has only become a vehicle for adding a time-sink with no real value.

    The final pin, the lack of effort in balancing classes.

    Ultimately it is an expansion that doesn’t respect the end user and panders largely to a smaller subsect of elite players.

    Honorable mention to the music and art department who did an awesome job setting the tone and atmosphere.    … Expand
  34. MadWinning
    Jan 15, 2021
    0
    The worst expansion for PVP. Check pvp vendors yourself and calculate how much time (how many bgs won) it will take. A 200 lvl gear costs 525 (Back), 700 (Belt), 875 (Chest), 1800 (Two-handed weapon). A won bg gives you 8, a won epic bg gives you 15. Hahaha. Bye, bye Blizzard, scam company, they just want to keep blind players subscribed. Infinite grind = infinite subscription. WoW playersThe worst expansion for PVP. Check pvp vendors yourself and calculate how much time (how many bgs won) it will take. A 200 lvl gear costs 525 (Back), 700 (Belt), 875 (Chest), 1800 (Two-handed weapon). A won bg gives you 8, a won epic bg gives you 15. Hahaha. Bye, bye Blizzard, scam company, they just want to keep blind players subscribed. Infinite grind = infinite subscription. WoW players are junkies not realizing that there are better games and non-virtual occupations.… Expand
  35. nizlopi
    Jan 15, 2021
    8
    I don't often write reviews, but reading the amount of subjective, unfounded remarks being tossed around here (often leading to very low scores that do not reflect the game at all) I had to join the fray.

    Shadowlands is one of the better expansions Blizzard released in the past years. They learned from mistakes made in BfA and tried to do better. This expansion is key since public    I don't often write reviews, but reading the amount of subjective, unfounded remarks being tossed around here (often leading to very low scores that do not reflect the game at all) I had to join the fray.

    Shadowlands is one of the better expansions Blizzard released in the past years. They learned from mistakes made in BfA and tried to do better. This expansion is key since public opinion on the game was at a low during BfA.

    Pros:
    - Beautifully designed zones
    - New leveling experience (faster than ever before)
    - Quests tell a linear story and the story feels good (obviously that is bound to your own view on it)
    - No need to go through the entire story multiple times when leveling an alt, the choice is yours.
    - No need to spend your entire week getting rep for your covenant. Just a few quests and you can be done. You can also choose to keep going, but it doesn't limit your gameplay in the future if you choose not to.
    - PVP rewards
    - The Vault: you determine what you do during the week and what reward(s) you go for. Beats the mythic+ reward in BfA in so many ways
    - Nathria is a great raid
    - Some classes feel really good to play

    Cons:
    - The Maw and Thorgast feel somewhat tedious after a while
    - Some classes feel not so good to play. Class balancing remains a sore point.
    - Gated content might feel too artificial at times
    - Covenants are still something that feels pushed if you want to be competitive i.e. you can choose whatever one you want but some are really bad for your class. Sucks if you like the armor or other perks of that sucky covenant.

    No doubt I missed some pros and some cons. For me, this game is worth an 8 or maybe a 9. For others there might be things that warrant a 7 or a 6. That's normal, games are subject to taste. What is not normal, is giving this quality game a 4 or less. That's just a bad way of rating things. Don't get fooled, if you liked WoW in the past, you should definitely give Shadowlands a fair chance.    … Expand
  36. ilya1334400
    Jan 15, 2021
    0
    Если у БФА 3 бала, то тут я должен поставить 0. Геймплейно ничего не изменилось, все тоже самое что и в бфа, ничего глобально нового. Помимо этого, фарма обещали меньше, но по факту, его стало еще больше в 10 раз, для того что бы полностью одеть персонажа уходит в раза 3-5 больше времени. Раньше что бы получить максимальный профит за неделю надо было закрыть одно 15ое подземелье, теперьЕсли у БФА 3 бала, то тут я должен поставить 0. Геймплейно ничего не изменилось, все тоже самое что и в бфа, ничего глобально нового. Помимо этого, фарма обещали меньше, но по факту, его стало еще больше в 10 раз, для того что бы полностью одеть персонажа уходит в раза 3-5 больше времени. Раньше что бы получить максимальный профит за неделю надо было закрыть одно 15ое подземелье, теперь ДЕСЯТЬ. Туда же ежедневный фарм стигий, еженедельный фарм торгаста, постоянный фарм анимы. Шмота с рейдов стало в раза 2-3 меньше, убрали монетки 2ой шанс на дроп. Все что бы заставить вас дольше сидеть в этой игре, когда контента уже нет. Они решили взять системы из успешного вов классика, но не учли что если сравнивать шл с первоначальным вов классик... то это совсем другая игра, сессионка, а не твое личное приключение в огромном рпг мире. Локации стали в раз 5 меньше чем в ваниле, мобы подстраиваются под твою силу. Считаю что Близарды свернули не туда и искусственно удерживают народ в игре отсутствием шмота.… Expand
  37. 5View
    Jan 15, 2021
    4
    Pros:

    Not many. On the margins, it's merely more of the same. This might be a pro if you like more of the same. The visual effects are pretty good. Depending on your taste, you are likely to find one or more zone in Shadowlands to be beautiful. Cons: More of the same. Seriously, not much new here and... You'll end up in endless repetition. Anima farming. Same handful of    Pros:

    Not many.

    On the margins, it's merely more of the same. This might be a pro if you like more of the same.

    The visual effects are pretty good. Depending on your taste, you are likely to find one or more zone in Shadowlands to be beautiful.

    Cons:

    More of the same. Seriously, not much new here and...

    You'll end up in endless repetition. Anima farming. Same handful of world quests over and over and over and over. Same old battlegrounds over and over and over. Basically, raiding and dungeons aren't many, and in any case you'll be doing them over and over and over because....

    Rewards? Aren't many. Everything is time gated to begin with. But RNG drop rates are almost non-existent, or might as well be. This expansion truly is a massive grind, where you find yourself mindlessly repeating the same activities week after week, even day after day, only for a few droplets of rain when you are dying of thirst already. The designers of the expansion appear to have devised a theory that gamers like being punished for spending huge chunks of their free time in the world of World of Warcraft. Simultaneously, they don't want you to progress in any noticeable way because you might feel you've "finished" something, maybe the game, and unsub.

    There's nothing new in this game. Borrowed powers? Done it before. New playable race or class? Nope. Useful professions? Hah, you gotta be kidding.

    Conclusion: There are players who have invested years in the game, and perhaps if repetition and long periods of busy work between raid or mythic times are what they like, then they'll stick around, and why not. You'll get to repeat (without the rinse first) over and over.

    Basically, the cost of subscription to WoW is way too high for the content provided. You can pay as much or even less for a large number of streaming services and find far more entertainment with any of those. Heck, you can save your subscription from WoW and spend it on other games for your PC or console and probably find games much more rewarding (entertaining!) than this slog fest. You'll notice a very obvious difference between the design team of WoW and the design team of other games. In WoW, the designers play YOU, by time gating so much and giving you so many hoops to jump through before you can have much fun with your character in Shadowlands. In other game, the designers try at least to find ways to make the minute to minute and hour to hour experience of playing them FUN. This is a huge and noticeable difference.    … Expand
  38. Loucetios
    Jan 14, 2021
    1
    WoW remains as diverse as ever. It will literally be rammed down your throat to no end. Gameplay is unimaginative and just the same old horse being beaten to death..
  39. Tercano
    Jan 14, 2021
    1
    Плюсы:
    1. Интересный сюжет и в целом идея.
    2. Множество отсылок на давних персонажей и сюжет, возможность узнать о судьбе знакомых персонажей (не только первого плана). Минусы: 1.Утроба. Представляет из себя локацию по которой вы будете очень медленно продвигаться через постоянно агрящихся мобов и самостоятельно искать и справляться с редкими монстрами ради очень-очень маленькой    Плюсы:
    1. Интересный сюжет и в целом идея.
    2. Множество отсылок на давних персонажей и сюжет, возможность узнать о судьбе знакомых персонажей (не только первого плана).
    Минусы:
    1.Утроба. Представляет из себя локацию по которой вы будете очень медленно продвигаться через постоянно агрящихся мобов и самостоятельно искать и справляться с редкими монстрами ради очень-очень маленькой награды в виде репутации. За довольно большое количество репутации вы сможете покупать себе некоторые усиления. На деле это просто монотонная локация с огромным количеством безликих мобов которых вам нужно будет ежедневно фармить передвигаясь через все это пешком (что еще сильней растягивает и без того унылый процесс). А так же это обязательно делать на каждом вашем персонаже, потому если их у вас больше 1 то F.
    2. Торгаст. Вам предоставляют 6 обязательных для прохождения этажей, на 6 вас ждет босс, за победу над которым дают ресурсы для создания легендарок. На деле это такой же монотонный контент как и Утроба. Коридоры однообразные как впрочем и враги. Просто пройти мимо врагов к боссу за получением профита вам может и дадут, но с противников падают усиления без которых финального босса можно банально не убить и потерять море времени (а ведь он еще и получает процентное увеличение урона каждые секунд 10, так что если не убили быстро то может быть не убьете совсем). Единственным плюсом является то что проходить его нужно всего два раза в неделю на каждом персонаже.
    3. PvE. Стало бесперспективным избиением болванчиков. Контент в целом интересный, яркий, со своим челленджем, но без наград. Близзард сильно урезали шанс получения награды из рейда и м+. По сути вы можете пройти большое количество подземелий и никак не усилить персонажа.
    4. PvP. Ужасно. Вероятно на высоком уровне игры в нем и есть что-то захватывающее. Но если вы начинающий игрок, или же просто решили попробовать получить экипировку для PvE с помощью PvP то скорее всего все что вы получите это контроль на 4-6 секунд и смерть без возможности сделать хоть что-то. Полагаю единственная альтренатива - игра в пвп в заранее собранной в PvE (хаха) качественной экипировке. Все мои попытки заниматься пвп в среднем гире (190-200) заканчивались ваншотами в большинстве случаев.
    5. Новые недельные награды. В целом идея хорошая и очень удобная, возможность выбирать нужный вам лут из недельного сундука или дополнительные ролы если вам не нужно ничего из предложенного. Но возможность усиления себя лишь раз в неделю удручает.
    Итог: Shadowlands понравится тем кому интересно развитие истории вселенной Warcraft, но не понравится всем кто собирается играть в нее дальше сюжетных квестов.. Крайне не рекомендую играть если вы не готовы к огромному количеству пустого времяпровождения вне сюжета.    … Expand
  40. rmxpvl
    Jan 14, 2021
    2
    Game is unbalanced as hell, game design is bad. 0 loots the game is unrewarding and doesnt respect the player game time. You can run 3 raids and loot nothing, mythic+ are ruined loot is overnerfed. The great vault is a big joke badly designed, you can receive the same item multiple times. Idont know how this game made it through beta its unfinished and there is clearly not enough content
  41. worminsh
    Jan 13, 2021
    1
    Expansions sales point Thorgast, after 10th time doing it, its gets super boring.
    Nothing new invented, covenants its same talent trees, thats about it, nothing NEW in that game, what you seen 10 years ago its all the same, just different wallpaper.
    PVP the most unbalanced game what I seen so far, they have not tested their game, cos there are so many broken skills and 1 shoots. Bots    Expansions sales point Thorgast, after 10th time doing it, its gets super boring.
    Nothing new invented, covenants its same talent trees, thats about it, nothing NEW in that game, what you seen 10 years ago its all the same, just different wallpaper.
    PVP the most unbalanced game what I seen so far, they have not tested their game, cos there are so many broken skills and 1 shoots. Bots running wild and nothing has done about it,. they say they ban them each 6 months in waves, after 10 minutes those bots are back.
    I got a feeling that they are lacking workforce cos basic things has not been done.
    Art team are great, thats on positive note, but I came for gameplay not to look at pretty things.    … Expand
  42. ravenblade
    Jan 12, 2021
    5
    This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. To be honest I wasn't really sure at first whether it would be fair to review it after a mere two months of playing. However, after 15 years of intermittent playing, being a full-time raider until nearly end of WotLK, I know it's about that time when the initial awe has lapsed a bit, and you could put forward a more sober view — at least from the perspective of someone who hasn't raided since WotLK (NOTE: I don't count LFR as raiding in the classic competitive sense I am referring to). The problem however remains: reviewing an expansion is like giving new reviews for the same game.

    First things first, no, Shadowlands doesn't reinvent World of Warcraft, and it's only a very soft reboot of a game with the level squish in place and currently rather wonky balancing of older and newer content altogether that firmly stands in opposition to it. It also doesn't introduce something that your class would keep in the long term. Blizzard definitely has become rather conservative about power creep so much that they prefer to clothe formerly known systems such as enchants and glyphs into borrowed power that will only stick for as long as the expansion will last.

    With that in mind it is rather confounding that Blizzard hasn't learned to creative cohesive engaging world yet, instead they stick to their hub-based formula with content on a timer, in both directions, temporary enhancements with only a few new mounts, transmogrifications and perhaps, a new unlocked sub-race to keep in the future while leaving their old content in a tangled mess of phased states. Neither does the world get truly expanded nor does your long-term gameplay of your own class. In fact even the off-systems that kept were attempting to keep you busy outside that, the professions, feel more and more hamstrung and jettisoned of creative ideas by every expansion. A lot of potential has been wasted here. If you compare it with competitors on the market then it is appalling that professions feel rather tacked on this expansion, especially Engineering which seems to have no other purpose than existing for the sake of it.

    With the addition of The Maw there is finally a system in place which at least in the beginning forces you to think where you are going and not become complacent. However once you learned to play the system for a bit even then you can allow yourself a bit more audacious. The dread loses its initial power. In my opinion the Maw would be a perfect place for open-world risk vs. reward gameplay instead both aspects seem to go down over time.

    Without doubt, they really went all out when designing the zones and sound pieces are wonderfully crafted, if nothing short of monumental. Every zone has its nuanced flair, whether it be the ethereal angelic realm of Bastion, the serene realm of Ardenweald, the brutal and harsh lands of Maldraxxus, the decadent transylvanic nation of Revendreth, the dreading and unforgiving nature of the Maw, there is always a notable love for artistic detail, some details you still could get lost while hunting treasures or solving mini-puzzles.
    Suffice to say here the issues start to ramp up again, it is not a game for players who are no longer buying in the old traditional treadmill concept. Where other competitors on the market have learned to understand that not everyone plays MMORPGs for competition or competitive self-advancement, WoW still sticks to this formula with an iron hand and wastes a lot of good opportunities in the progress which eventually leads to people either being forced to run the PVP treadmill or quit after they had seen it all since there is not much else for them that could match them in scale since it still isn't regarded as the core experience of the game.    … Expand
  43. tenzenn
    Jan 11, 2021
    3
    This game has 95% PVE content and 5% PVP, no sieges, no mass PVP, or world PVP!
    even that 5% PVP content is so broken! unbalanced classes, PVP system is just bad to many CC each class has at least one skill that will you unable to use your character max for 8sec
  44. InsaneElement
    Jan 11, 2021
    1
    Hopefully the people who made torghast will never make games again. A useless element that just kills time, especially the new 18 levels.
    Also, a separate place in hell for the person in charge of class balance. Special thanks for 1 working specialization of a hunter in pve and a completely dead class in pvp.
  45. Zulsaframano
    Jan 11, 2021
    2
    Die Erweiterung fing gut an. Story an sich interssant & die Gebiete mehr als abwechslungsreich. Aber der Endcontent hingt so hinterher. Alles versteckt sich hinter einen Timegate, man macht jeden Tag das selbe. Weltquest & Abgesantenquests wiederholen sich innerhalb weniger Tage so rasant.
    Es gibt keine neue Klasse, keine neue Rasse. Nichts ist wirklich neu.
    Shadowlands fühlt sich für    Die Erweiterung fing gut an. Story an sich interssant & die Gebiete mehr als abwechslungsreich. Aber der Endcontent hingt so hinterher. Alles versteckt sich hinter einen Timegate, man macht jeden Tag das selbe. Weltquest & Abgesantenquests wiederholen sich innerhalb weniger Tage so rasant.
    Es gibt keine neue Klasse, keine neue Rasse. Nichts ist wirklich neu.

    Shadowlands fühlt sich für mich eher an wie ein schlechter Versuch ein Best of aus den letzten Addons zu machen. Das klappt durch fehlende Inhalte aber leider nicht.    … Expand
  46. Rrohg
    Nov 27, 2020
    0
    Not feeling the forced linear path and the poor, cringe storytelling. The convoluted systems make character progression a nightmare and the covenant I wasn’t to play is a terrible option for my main spec and is terrible for the areas of the game I want to excel in. Additionally Torghast is not as impressive as I was expecting and it is inferior to many other older roguelike games. NotNot feeling the forced linear path and the poor, cringe storytelling. The convoluted systems make character progression a nightmare and the covenant I wasn’t to play is a terrible option for my main spec and is terrible for the areas of the game I want to excel in. Additionally Torghast is not as impressive as I was expecting and it is inferior to many other older roguelike games. Not looking forward to the rest of my sub time.… Expand
  47. MusclePig
    Jan 11, 2021
    2
    Been there done that. Feels super outdated by now. Think this will be my last wow expansion. Story is also way too far out by now for my tastes
  48. Leshgorn
    Jan 7, 2021
    4
    В первые дни после выхода дополнения Shadowlands казался невероятно крутым - классное погружение в Утробу и Тёмные земли, графика, интересные персонажи и сюжет. Но это ощущение очень быстро прошло, а именно на моменте вступления в ковенант. Сразу возникло сомнение - к кому именно присоединиться? а что, если потрачу время и пойму, что надо было идти в другой ковенант? В итоге так и сделалВ первые дни после выхода дополнения Shadowlands казался невероятно крутым - классное погружение в Утробу и Тёмные земли, графика, интересные персонажи и сюжет. Но это ощущение очень быстро прошло, а именно на моменте вступления в ковенант. Сразу возникло сомнение - к кому именно присоединиться? а что, если потрачу время и пойму, что надо было идти в другой ковенант? В итоге так и сделал неверный выбор :(
    После ещё пары недель игры, пришло осознание, что эта самая игра стала отнимать гораздо больше времени, чем раньше, но и давать тоже стала меньше: нудные локалки стали гораздо более времязатратными, мобы стали крепче, появилась большая Утроба, где нельзя призывать транспорт и приходится бегать ножками. И отдельного внимания заслуживает Торгаст. Перед выходом дополнения, его рекламировали, как некую вечно меняющуюся локацию с отличными наградами, причём, чем выше этаж, тем лучше награда. В итоге, наград никаких нет, сама локация невероятно унылая, скучная, бесячая, прохождение ее отнимает много времени и зависит от случайно полученных абилок. И все это нужно только для прохождения сюжета, либо для создания/улучшения легендарки! Каждый раз после прохождения Торгаста возникает дикое желание выйти из игры и не заходить в неё больше никогда. После мучений с основным своим персонажем, я даже не представляю, сколько ещё нужно будет потратить нервов и времени для развития твинков. Сейчас делать этого совсем не хочется, а ведь даже в том же БФА я играл почти одновременно сразу за нескольких персонажей.
    Не знаю, как будет развиваться дополнение дальше, но на текущий момент, это для меня самое большое разочарование. Даже БФА нравился гораздо больше.    … Expand
  49. dorout
    Jan 11, 2021
    1
    Where to begin? Sooo many problems. Not enough good.

    TLDR: Do not play Shadowlands right now. Wait until the time locks are lifted in March. Even then I doubt this game will be worth your money and time. Shadowlands is BFA 2.0. Shadowlands was supposed to be the expansion we all dreamed for, but we received the opposite. A copy paste of BFA with a system built around a time lock    Where to begin? Sooo many problems. Not enough good.

    TLDR: Do not play Shadowlands right now. Wait until the time locks are lifted in March. Even then I doubt this game will be worth your money and time. Shadowlands is BFA 2.0.

    Shadowlands was supposed to be the expansion we all dreamed for, but we received the opposite. A copy paste of BFA with a system built around a time lock which made to keep you subbed for exactly one month. I get companies need money to continue, but there are better ways at player retention rather than sacrificing player experience in the process.

    Classes:
    This is the worst of the worst WOW has ever been with classes. The classes are all incredibly bland and boring. Most classes have 3 buttons to do damage with and I am not joking. The rotations are short and perpetual. If you want to do aoe, push your ONE aoe button. If you want to do single target damage, push one of two buttons. Perfect example: sublet rogue > shuriken storm (aoe) OR backstab to eviscerate OR shadowstrike to eviscerate. Retribution Paladin is in the same boat, but as are many other classes.

    Legendaries:
    The concept is cool, but you are required to have a legendary equipped to do damage. They should have scrapped legendries and should have stuck with only set bonuses. The system to get a legendary is tiresome. Initially, torghast is not bad, but the more you run it the more bored you become. I currently do not run anything in torghast because I have enough for my one legendary that i need. Lastly, blizzard will not nerf any of the over powered legendries until the next gigantic patch. It is unfortunate because some classes are heavily powered when compared to others. Example: Monk legendary vs warlock legendary. Or have a crazy legendary such as doom winds. You literally one shot people in PVP when you cast ascendance with your windfury totem.

    The maw:
    When you think objectively this zone is barren, bland, and incredibly slow. It's a huge intended time soak. Additionally, there is a weekly event to possibly get higher item level loot, but the loot pool is shallow.

    Time locked/renown system:
    The renown system is terrible to say the least. it time locks lower item level gear you can get through questing, purchasing via renown level, or pvp. Why is the renown system terrible? M+ and Mythic raiding has been unlocked and the gear is leaps and bounds higher of an item level. Makes no sense at-all to continue the time lock, but here we are.

    Covenants:
    The covenants are not equal as blizzard intended them to be. There are 300+ soulbinds blizzard wasted time on rather than addressing core issues like classes. Instead time was put into a convoluted system no one asked for. This plays into the renown and is a time lock. For some classes, covenants are incredibly over powered in terms of raw damage where as others it is useless. Example: Chain harvest and Convoke vs any other covenant ability.

    PVP:
    PVP is incredibly awful right now due to M+ and Mythic raiders crushing opponents within seconds and I mean that literally. I have 23% versatility and 30k HP on my resto-shaman. I have been critical hit for 23k from the hunt; 21k from templars verdict, double aim shot for 10k, chaos bolted for 17k, and also died within seconds from convoke/combustion/monk burst. Hybrids are doing more healing than actual casters and dish out good dps.

    Back to time locked/renwon with PVP. So, right now the highest item level you can purchase with honor in pvp is 184 while 210+ item level raiders and M+ players are trolling lower item level people in pvp with crazy burst damage. It makes NO SENSE to keep the time lock which further ruins player experience.

    BG's:
    No new BG's for the second expansion in a row. The BG's have also not been reworked and there are tons of problems with them. Most notably Winters Grasp. You literally cannot win when you are on offence. it is a one hour circle fest of siege from defense, acting as offence. It is ludicrous. The only thing they did was the literal bear minimum -- a reskin of Arathi Basin and even that is unimpressive.

    M+ and Raids:
    Personally, I only enjoy this aspect of the game when classes are engaging and exciting. When you have two button rotations (similar to classic wow) I get super bored. I will reserve judgement here because I cannot get past terrible classes to even want to get into M+ or raids.

    My two cents: If you were to ask me if Shadowlands is worth the purchase and resub, I would say hold off at least until March when all of the time locks are lifted. However, as it stands right now I will tell you to run fast and far away as this expansion is BFA in disguise. Ultimately, based off of the track record of Blizzard/Activision, I have absolutely no faith this game will become even decent until the last remaining months pending the next expansion that is right around the corner.    … Expand
  50. Biaggo
    Jan 11, 2021
    0
    Full of bugs. Class spells have been bugged since beta and noone seems to care. Conduits bugged. Dungeons bugged. Class balance non existent. Mythic keys punishing healers and tanks. Hard to gear up because literally no gear drops. Repetative farming with timegated boring content. Support doesn't exist, the only thing they can tell me in web tickets is to go to the forums and hope someFull of bugs. Class spells have been bugged since beta and noone seems to care. Conduits bugged. Dungeons bugged. Class balance non existent. Mythic keys punishing healers and tanks. Hard to gear up because literally no gear drops. Repetative farming with timegated boring content. Support doesn't exist, the only thing they can tell me in web tickets is to go to the forums and hope some other player can answer me cause they won't. Extremely laggy. Maw & Thorgast is time consuming without reward. Botters are still not banned or punished, ruining ecnomy. Report system (bug or bot) has 0 feedback, you are left in the dark. It feels like we are still playing the beta version of the game. Community feedback are ignored and no communication from bLizzard.… Expand
  51. jinchuanad
    Jan 10, 2021
    0
    Boring and a waste of time. Level up is easy but, getting equipment is extremely hard. I do now know why, but everything is forced to be slow. Only a few things to do each week, even if you did everything, you may still not able to have any significant improvement. I tired raid PVP and everything, all I got was the same different item for the same slot, which I already have, and that hasBoring and a waste of time. Level up is easy but, getting equipment is extremely hard. I do now know why, but everything is forced to be slow. Only a few things to do each week, even if you did everything, you may still not able to have any significant improvement. I tired raid PVP and everything, all I got was the same different item for the same slot, which I already have, and that has happened twice in the last few weeks, I feel like its a total waste of time.… Expand
  52. Redditcirclejrk
    Jan 10, 2021
    5
    "They're just a small indie company, don't have high expectations"
    Words used by those who hate wow, and also a sentence used by those who love the game.
    Initially i would give the game an 8. really beautiful artwork, the jailer seemed like a badass when you just saw his shade, and in the trailer. Covenants seems really interesting. They didnt make leveling fun, but atleast its    "They're just a small indie company, don't have high expectations"
    Words used by those who hate wow, and also a sentence used by those who love the game.

    Initially i would give the game an 8. really beautiful artwork, the jailer seemed like a badass when you just saw his shade, and in the trailer. Covenants seems really interesting. They didnt make leveling fun, but atleast its shorter. Lots of world PvP in the first week, bringing more drama to the gameplay.

    Then you get to see the jailer, who looks nothing like the cinematic. Ofc his face looks like Kent from barbie just blue, without hair and some minor tweaks.
    After a while you realise that the game is somewhat of a reskin of BFA.
    You think that after 17 years of experience, they would make the gameplay more fluid and adventerous as an mmorpg should be. Nope, this game is another chore simulator. Thorgast is the new expedition islands. Covenant are just order halls from legion, but where there is actually just 1 choice for each class as the others are underwealming. Boring questlines. You see how bored people are with the content when opposite factions dont even look at each other in the world because they want to just finish the chores as fast as possible and get their dopamine shot. The only world pvp is if people have the 25 kill quest where they stack up outside of the entrance to the maw. How pathetic.

    I dont really care about the story that much. But, from what people have been saying. It has been a major dissapointment. As usual you are jesus who´s gonna save them all.
    Their model is like any other **** subscription based service. Provide some initial appeal, then when you sub, they simply go work on their next bait, and hope you´ll forget to unsubscribe.

    PvE. The raid is good, have nothing negative to say. Challenging, not too much trash, cool artwork.
    The balancing is something else tho. Some classes are trash compared to others to the point where they struggle to find groups who will have them. Good thing warriors have battleshout

    PvP...... Atleast its not as slow and boring as BFA. However, the balancing is as always **** As everyone are meta whoring, the comps and gameplay is bland. in 2s there is as always 95% healer/dps comps. The only viable dps comp is rogue/mage which provide scripted opener with a 1 shot macro. God forbid you´d even try doing 3s with 3 dps. Unless you were sub rogue pre nerf. There are game changing bugs in the game like the windfury proc, and mind controll **** that has been present for months and still not fixed. Lets not even talk about the NF pods.

    The wow community is also 50% of the problem. They are a cancer to the game which the developers continously have to work against, especially in regards to PvP. They should give up with trying to give classes any variability as people just instantly rush meta. In some ways i hope the community never stop playing the game, as their level of meta whoring is unprecidented. Worldofpvp subreddit is a circlejerk where they have a flavor of the day of what to complain about. Pretty much the new wow forums where people go to rant to feel better about themselves. When statistics are presented showing them what is balanced/unbalanced they shut up for a few days before going back to their previous circlejerk.

    You think they´d learn something from seeing how popular Wow classic was.    … Expand
  53. Grizzler
    Jan 10, 2021
    0
    A boring slog introducing nothing new. Using cut and paste assets its like they made an entire game from left over scraps. Not to mention it is beyond frustratingly slow. They want your subs and to play as little as possible. Avoid it even on sale.
  54. Ingvar_Alighier
    Jan 8, 2021
    0
    - Если вы любитель мобильного гейминга на пк и вам нравится система батлпасов(известность в ковенанте очень похожа), то Добро Пожаловать!
    - Если вы ожидаете от игры лора(который не пойми куда вывернут), то Добро Пожаловать!
    - Если вы цените свое личное время, то не Стоит в Это Играть! P.S. - красиво сделано, но кроме визуала, более менее интересного лора(который не пойми куда вывернут)    - Если вы любитель мобильного гейминга на пк и вам нравится система батлпасов(известность в ковенанте очень похожа), то Добро Пожаловать!
    - Если вы ожидаете от игры лора(который не пойми куда вывернут), то Добро Пожаловать!
    - Если вы цените свое личное время, то не Стоит в Это Играть!
    P.S. - красиво сделано, но кроме визуала, более менее интересного лора(который не пойми куда вывернут) в этом дополнении вы больше ничего не найдете. Такая же система траты времени, как и в БФА.
    P.P.S. - Оставь надежду всяк сюда входящий!    … Expand
  55. almightythor
    Jan 8, 2021
    3
    Personally, very disappointed with the expansion.
    The artwork is great however the gameplay feels dull and playing has become a chore, were every reset you have a mental check list of things you need to get done before the next reset, once you've completed the content you just sit there twiddling your thumbs for the rest of the week or if you have alts, do the same thing on them.    Personally, very disappointed with the expansion.
    The artwork is great however the gameplay feels dull and playing has become a chore, were every reset you have a mental check list of things you need to get done before the next reset, once you've completed the content you just sit there twiddling your thumbs for the rest of the week or if you have alts, do the same thing on them.

    Everything is just repetition and honestly for me, it took all the fun out of the game. Once you have ran the content, nothing feels exciting that you would want to do it again such as the dungeons etc

    Leveling through the main story line is alright, expect for the fact that the game feels like you have no choice in terms of which zones to go to and the quests to do. Threads of fate is absolutely horrible    … Expand
  56. Tsirche
    Jan 7, 2021
    0
    Leveling System: not good, too long and repetitive quests
    Instances: good, well balanced amount of trashes and bosses, nice fights, m+ system is cool again
    Raids: No. Just no. Don't do it. terrible Alts: NOT alt friendly. The main feature (Torghast tower) is a JOKE. Long, boring (sorry, BORING) and you have to do it twice a week (or more) with all your chars. Possibly the second worst    Leveling System: not good, too long and repetitive quests
    Instances: good, well balanced amount of trashes and bosses, nice fights, m+ system is cool again
    Raids: No. Just no. Don't do it. terrible
    Alts: NOT alt friendly.
    The main feature (Torghast tower) is a JOKE. Long, boring (sorry, BORING) and you have to do it twice a week (or more) with all your chars.
    Possibly the second worst expansion after BfA.    … Expand
  57. oblom
    Jan 7, 2021
    1
    сценарий никакой чушь полная. пвп убили. дэйлики усложнили, зачем? торгаст уже в печнках, как представлю что туда придется ходить в течении всего дополнения б-р-р-р... . баги, куда уж без них?
  58. slisbad
    Jan 6, 2021
    0
    PvP is totaly trash like allways 85% of the classes are completely over-tuned.
    But there are ONLY 2 devs for everything(LOL) and those 2 guys have absulutly no clue about the game.

    DONT BUY OR PLAY IF YOU LIKE PVP

    lets hope Riot is bringing out there new game soon so we can finally stop playing that trash game
  59. Floofies
    Jan 6, 2021
    0
    Very poor expansion, first expansion including BFA for me to lose interest within the first week alone. Completely stopped playing within 3 weeks, the first time ever. Casual content is the worst it's ever been, world quests/dailies take forever and are not rewarding. Heroic/regular dungeons give basically nothing, PvP is still awful with one-shots from covenants and PvE items.. So bad.
  60. turbo25
    Jan 6, 2021
    2
    Shadowlands is nice to look at but I just find it really boring. Only played for two weeks and log in for 10 mins before alt f4. Torghast is about as much fun as watching paint dry. I see some people say how much they "LOVE" Torghast and it's like wtf are these people smoking cause i definitely need it to play this game
  61. evilzipikrus
    Jan 6, 2021
    1
    The addition itself was waiting for everyone, the idea is good. BUT it is not possible to play, lags, glitches, bugs. In the keys and in general, the game is completely sharpened for the 1st class of the tank paladin, RDD hunter mage, all classes of MDD suffer from the affixes of the keys Storming, Sanguine, Quaking,Spiteful, Necrotic. Removed the opportunity to somehow protect themselvesThe addition itself was waiting for everyone, the idea is good. BUT it is not possible to play, lags, glitches, bugs. In the keys and in general, the game is completely sharpened for the 1st class of the tank paladin, RDD hunter mage, all classes of MDD suffer from the affixes of the keys Storming, Sanguine, Quaking,Spiteful, Necrotic. Removed the opportunity to somehow protect themselves from them tanks. RDD can leave to run away, MDD is much more difficult. Have you seen them fall from a tree?? Here is the class of warriors fell below nowhere, neither DD nor tank they are not needed by anyone, a weak useless class has become. Blizzard, come to your senses before people go to the Korean or Chinese market, think carefully.… Expand
  62. Archimond
    Jan 6, 2021
    0
    Это единственное из дополнений после выхода которого я удалил игру спустя три недели с начала его выхода, это рекорд. Даже в дреноре было интереснее сидеть в гарнизоне. Просто в какой то момент понимаешь что мысль о запуске игры вызывает у тебя отвращение. это при том что до окончания подписки еще месяц. Во всех дополнениях были хотя бы интересные квесты на прокачке персонажа а в энд геймЭто единственное из дополнений после выхода которого я удалил игру спустя три недели с начала его выхода, это рекорд. Даже в дреноре было интереснее сидеть в гарнизоне. Просто в какой то момент понимаешь что мысль о запуске игры вызывает у тебя отвращение. это при том что до окончания подписки еще месяц. Во всех дополнениях были хотя бы интересные квесты на прокачке персонажа а в энд гейм игре начинались проблемы, тут же даже задания скучны и не интересны, была надежда на Малдраксус и Ревендрет, но она не оправдалась. В итоге для меня WOW Shadowlands стал огромным разочарованием, и я уже не верю что близзард сможет выпустить чтото стоящее, надо посмотреть еще на диабло 4, но надежды мало.… Expand
  63. hisoka86
    Jan 5, 2021
    0
    The game has some good things but the lack of being able to CHOOSE how I play and the systems to do the simplest things make the game not fun anymore. Plus the MAW what dumb *** thought of that prob Ion and his crap team. Now they reduced the rewards you get so you stay subbed longer. Come on DreamHeaven.
  64. darklyluna
    Jan 3, 2021
    3
    I am insanely bored.

    That first zone is like having to slog through 5 episodes of a show before it 'gets good'. It was a terrible slog. Why do they think people want to wander around clicking on people to read more dialogue? Just put it all in one place. It felt like a dramatic time sink for no reason. I felt no investment in the blue angel people. I just didn't care. Once I lost the    I am insanely bored.

    That first zone is like having to slog through 5 episodes of a show before it 'gets good'. It was a terrible slog. Why do they think people want to wander around clicking on people to read more dialogue? Just put it all in one place. It felt like a dramatic time sink for no reason.

    I felt no investment in the blue angel people. I just didn't care. Once I lost the reason I went to the shadowlands (that being the leaders of the alliance & horde) I found myself detached from their story. Probably because it lacked any foundation.

    Maybe if they spent at least the last half of Battle for Azeroth leading up to the shadowlands...I don't even think that would've helped. At least on the Alliance side, you had Jaina's people to work with. She's a staple of the series. Been in since Warcraft 3. There's investment in lore there.

    Going to the shadowlands is like WoW 2 without any push to be part of that world. I literally just felt completely bored by it all. And even when I tried to push through the zone, I couldn't be bothered. So all around, the lack of engagement gets it a 3. This is simply not fun.    … Expand
  65. rkarlberg
    Jan 2, 2021
    0
    This is a very disappointing expansion. The story is really weak - you are forced to listen to long slow exposition that is just meaningless. Usually exploring is fun... but here the zones are just a rehash of previous content. Nothing is new, interesting or exciting. After playing a bit more, I like this junk even less. World quests are really tedious and offer no decent rewards.This is a very disappointing expansion. The story is really weak - you are forced to listen to long slow exposition that is just meaningless. Usually exploring is fun... but here the zones are just a rehash of previous content. Nothing is new, interesting or exciting. After playing a bit more, I like this junk even less. World quests are really tedious and offer no decent rewards. Torghast is awful - hours of grinding for literally no loot. And you can only do so much per day or week, meaning you have to pay the monthly fee for many months to even accomplish basic tasks. Now have done 4 world raids on 2 characters, and no loot! This is truly the worst expansion - and I've played since the very first beta.… Expand
  66. Frostbriar
    Jan 2, 2021
    2
    More of the same... that would be my brief summary of this expansion. I have tried to like it, in fact I have really wanted to like it, but honestly Shadowlands is just boring.

    If you liked Legion and BfA then you will almost certainly like Shadowlands. But there is nothing new or ground breaking about this expansion, it just feels like the final act of BfA. And whilst classes have    More of the same... that would be my brief summary of this expansion. I have tried to like it, in fact I have really wanted to like it, but honestly Shadowlands is just boring.

    If you liked Legion and BfA then you will almost certainly like Shadowlands. But there is nothing new or ground breaking about this expansion, it just feels like the final act of BfA. And whilst classes have had some abilities returned to them, there's little there to make your class feel interesting or engaging. I have one of every class, and honestly they all feel much the same in a lot of respects.

    The good: Comes in the form of Blizzard trying a new approach on alt levelling (giving you an option to count all the main story as complete on your alts; but this comes with it's own issues in that you have limited content to level up with and it gets tedious very quickly. Especially as the things you will be doing to level, are the same things you do for world quest dailies on your main).

    As always the world creation is superb, as the art team have done their usual fantastic job in realising the game world.

    We have lost some of the dross from Legion and BfA (like Titanforging et al.), but unfortunately retained the drip fed reputation grind, and the dependency on rep for a lot of things (including some crafting patterns).

    The bad: We have a new artefact power in the form of anima (an essential (dripfed) grind to power up your covenant sanctum and achieve any measure of progress with regards to the story. Artefact power by a new name is also evident in the form of Soul Ash, which you need to craft legendaries, and means you have to grind out Torghast each week. And as per usual, it is heavily and egregiously time-gated to retain that 'played metric' for the shareholder meetings.

    The story is a continuation from BfA, which was some of the absolute worst writing I have seen in a game (especially an MMORPG) in my life. Resulting in a story that you either miss, or don't really care about.

    The end game content is a take on the old Mages Tower from Legion, in the form of Torghast. Which, heavily depending on class/spec, you will either find a breeze or almost impossible by all accounts. Personally I played a blood DK as my main, so nothing in there was a challenge, but it took forever to slog your way through. And then there is the Maw...

    The Maw has to be one of the single worst things I have experienced in WoW in a long time, and yes that includes the 'dps no matter what your spec is' challenges from the Mage Tower, snorefronts and island expeditions.

    You have no mount in there, so if you're not playing a mobile class then it's pure hell getting from one side to the other. Even after you unlock the various quality of life options like bonus teleports and grappling hooks it's still an absolutely awful experience. Coupled with the mob density and the constant harassment from the Jailer, it is simply not an enjoyable experience. Once again it feels like a deliberate time sink.

    This is made worse by both the story and weekly progression forcing you back in there time and time again, making it pretty unavoidable (unlike the Mages Tower, expeditions and snorefronts), which just slowly erodes your desire to keep playing. More than anything else, the Maw is the one thing that made me cancel my sub.

    The raid is so-so. Some good fights, but it mostly just feels like 'same old raiding experience, with a new skin', and it's the same with the dungeons. I suppose that if your class doesn't feel engaging, then this has a knock-on effect for every other bit of content, unfortunately.

    And every time you want to start a new character in Shadowlands, you have to play through the unskippable (absolutely awful) timesink that is the intro mission; which takes about an hour to do. It's mind-numbingly tedious.

    Ultimately WoD was a terrible expansion due to lack of anything to do for a huge period of time. Legion only seemed good due to how bad WoD was and BfA was arguably (definitely in my mind) the worst expansion ever released for WoW by a huge margin; so I am not surprised that I am not enjoying Shadowlands.

    Shadowlands is simply not enough of a breakaway from the previous three awful expansions and their unengaging mechanics for me to enjoy it. Although I might be biased in that regard, as I never intended to come back for Shadowlands in the first place, and only did due to IRL friends.

    I don't wish WoW ill, and I hope it manages to pick itself up and carry on. But in its current state, especially with the awful story writing over the past few years, it feels more like the game is limping on towards its eventual death, rather than being reinvigorated with a new lease of life.

    I saw my (hopefully) final Christmas out in Orgrimar, my sub ends in 5 days time and I have absolutely no intention of renewing, as there is simply not enough engaging content to make £10 a month good value for money    … Expand
  67. Luvbread
    Jan 1, 2021
    9
    World of Warcraft Shadowlands did alot of things absolutely right:

    After the mess of Battle for Azeroth i returned to WOW:SL with really low expectations, but was really, really surprised:

    The story is packing, i wanted to be part of it, it was just amazeing. The end-game is also setup really well, and they also managed to balance weeklys in a way where it becomes not as annoying.
  68. Emed1
    Dec 31, 2020
    2
    This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. Game is not what I expected.
    Screams desperation by trying to add content that makes zero sense.
    Story line and questing is mind numbing bable.
    They added skills that are completely useless to any build that most likely will never be used. You can tell the guys working on this game don't even play it. They ruined every class imo.
    I've played wow for 15 years and I am extremely disappointed but to each there own.    … Expand
  69. yicori7525
    Dec 31, 2020
    0
    Whoever invented the maw should be hunted down, and killed brutally IRL with no remorse or mercy.
  70. tredo
    Dec 31, 2020
    0
    This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. Прокачка, рейды, торгаст, утроба, ключи, механика выпадения шмота, рандом, фарм. Фарм репутации постепенно открывающийся квесты. Играйте сами в свою игру, барыга на барыге.… Expand
  71. Sheddy
    Dec 31, 2020
    0
    — if you want to enjoy the game - play as the horde.
    — If you go to suffer and suffer - your choice is the alliance!
    Thanks to Blizzard for a great balanas in pve, more than 80% superiority in mythic and mythic+ keys.
    Full horde domination on the battlground, hello BFA!
  72. Mahts
    Dec 30, 2020
    2
    This game has nothing new, and is just a time gated waste of time. I wanted another Wraith of the Lich King, and didn't get it. Even Torghast, which held so much promise turned out to be just another part of a grind for crafting, it isn't aimed at solo players at all, as the other materials come from raids, etc.
  73. ziiMPLY1437
    Dec 30, 2020
    0
    I was waiting for 2 weeks to kill Oranomonos and get BiS legendary for my mage. Big thanks blizzard :)
  74. Crisz
    Dec 30, 2020
    2
    Weekly locked content makes it meh. Storytelling is boring and also weekly locked.
  75. Tailung
    Dec 30, 2020
    0
    This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. The worst expansion ever! Lore is a joke, deathrealms are Total drama! Deathrealms should be scary and strange, blighted, not fluffy and sweet... World of Warcraft evolved into World of Friends and Ponies... This is very sad. 8 ugly and boring instances, pvp is a joke, totally not alt friendly.… Expand
  76. Kettil
    Dec 30, 2020
    2
    SL leveling experience is quick and interesting. The positives stop there. Everything has been redesigned to make it harder, slower, more annoying to do anything ... and the rewards for anything you do have been substantially reduced both in power and their frequency. It makes for an extremely unrewarding gaming experience. The opening raid is strong, so if you are into organizedSL leveling experience is quick and interesting. The positives stop there. Everything has been redesigned to make it harder, slower, more annoying to do anything ... and the rewards for anything you do have been substantially reduced both in power and their frequency. It makes for an extremely unrewarding gaming experience. The opening raid is strong, so if you are into organized guild raiding .. maybe, but otherwise I strongly recommend skipping this one ... and that comes from somebody who has played every expansion since Vanilla.… Expand
  77. mihael447
    Dec 30, 2020
    0
    worst pvp balance i've ever seen in wow. i regret that i spend money on this
  78. lawlzilla
    Dec 29, 2020
    4
    You're doing the same **** you did in BFA just with a different setting. The only thing enjoyable about this game still is the PvP.
  79. Ilovemydog
    Dec 29, 2020
    1
    I was looking forward to this expansion, the devs were promising to right a lot of the things they got wrong with BFA. Sadly I soon learnt it was all a mirage.

    - The grind is back baby! This expansion you have to grind stygia for sockets and anima for your covenant. For stygia you do this by going to 'The Maw'. The Maw is a punishing, unforgiving place and to top it all off Blizzard has    I was looking forward to this expansion, the devs were promising to right a lot of the things they got wrong with BFA. Sadly I soon learnt it was all a mirage.

    - The grind is back baby! This expansion you have to grind stygia for sockets and anima for your covenant. For stygia you do this by going to 'The Maw'. The Maw is a punishing, unforgiving place and to top it all off Blizzard has decided that if you die you will lose 20% of your stygia, not just the stygia you have collected today but all the stygia you are carrying that you might have earnt from previous expeditions to the Maw, so you can lose sometimes 4 days worth in one death. You can get it be going back to your corpse but things have a habit of turning deadly in a zone where elites are packed together and can two shot you if you aren't wearing plate so definitely not for causal players. Anima is just be doing quests or killing rares and then you put it into your covenant reservoir, if you change covenants you can't get it back.
    - Loot acquisition has been nerfed into the ground so people can do 16 dungeons and get no loot.
    - The story is lacking. comical and is timegated to the extreme.
    - The zones are purposely hard to navigate and the one concession of BFA, the flight masters whistle has been taken away. Everything in game is designed to take you as long as possible to pad blizzard time played metrics. They don't want to boost time played by making an enjoyable game, they seem to prefer doing this by making everything as tedious, frustrating and drawn out as possible.
    - Balancing is abysmal. Blizzard can't seem to balance the specs so it's not a case of play what you enjoy but play what is doing well. The gap between the top classes and bottom classes is now extreme.

    I couldn't recommend this game. I find it very tedious and frustrating with little fun squished in between.    … Expand
  80. Yeroc317
    Dec 29, 2020
    1
    Blizzard fails to learn their lesson from
    Their past failures. Fun at first but once you hit that wall it’s time gate after time gate. No point of paying for a sub if you can log in for one day and complete everything for the week.
  81. mickeysood
    Dec 29, 2020
    4
    The smallest expansion so far with small maps to explore. Everything is time-gated and once again boring world quests and dailies will bore you out of your mind in a couple of weeks. Nothing new to see here. Covenant is just another system that will be scrapped once new expac is out so why even bother? For me though the biggest reason to quit was level scaling. Its completely broken butThe smallest expansion so far with small maps to explore. Everything is time-gated and once again boring world quests and dailies will bore you out of your mind in a couple of weeks. Nothing new to see here. Covenant is just another system that will be scrapped once new expac is out so why even bother? For me though the biggest reason to quit was level scaling. Its completely broken but Blizzard refuse to listen to the feedback. Its a below average expansion with a terrible game director steering it off the hill right into big pile of **** He is the same guy who was responsible for BFA so yeah. You have been warned.… Expand
  82. AsmodaiNoxx
    Dec 29, 2020
    1
    Shadowlands is a pure back to the grindstone ... in former expansions Dev's at least tried to disguise the treadmill a little bit but this time they show it completely uncovered. Every little piece of progress is locked behind massive timegating.
    But the "best" of all: we all got used to crackpot idea of learning to fly long after release and after jumping through all their hoops ... but    Shadowlands is a pure back to the grindstone ... in former expansions Dev's at least tried to disguise the treadmill a little bit but this time they show it completely uncovered. Every little piece of progress is locked behind massive timegating.
    But the "best" of all: we all got used to crackpot idea of learning to fly long after release and after jumping through all their hoops ... but to take away even riding in the maw is this one step to much.
    Especially since the Maw and Torghast are as juicy as reaqding a user manual in aramaic language and as funny as preventive inspection of your prostate    … Expand
  83. LadyAkeno
    Dec 29, 2020
    3
    Llevo jugando este juego desde WoTLK, y con sus pros y sus contras siempre me he divertido jugando hasta BfA (Tampoco disfruté WoD), donde dejé el juego por primera vez para volver ilusionado en SL esperando que arreglasen las cosas por las que dejé el juego por primera vez. No podía estar mas equivocado.
    - El contenido está incluso más timegateado que antes
    - Sigo obligado a hacer    Llevo jugando este juego desde WoTLK, y con sus pros y sus contras siempre me he divertido jugando hasta BfA (Tampoco disfruté WoD), donde dejé el juego por primera vez para volver ilusionado en SL esperando que arreglasen las cosas por las que dejé el juego por primera vez. No podía estar mas equivocado.
    - El contenido está incluso más timegateado que antes
    - Sigo obligado a hacer contenido que no quiero hacer, como Torgasht
    - El lore es incluso peor que el de BfA
    - El Maw es una experiencia repugnante
    - Aunque no me disgusta el gran vault, el sistema de loot de esta exp me da arcadas.
    Es pronto en la expansión, pero creo que SL va a ser mi punto de no retorno a este juego.

    I have been plating this game since WOTLK and with their cons and pros I kept enjoying playing until BfA (didn't like WoD either) when I stopped playing for the first time. I returned to SL with the hope that they would fix the issues why I stopped playing. They didn't.
    - Content is even more timegated than before
    - Game still forces me to do content I don't enjoy, like Torgasht
    - I find Lore even worst than in BfA
    - Maw is an awful experience
    - I don't thing grand Vault is a mistake, but the loot in this game is horrible.
    It's still early in the expansion, but I think it will be my no return point.    … Expand
  84. greennec
    Dec 28, 2020
    1
    我不知道设计师是怎么想的，降低掉落会带来巨大的负反馈，玩家付出了相当多的努力推倒boss却仅仅获取35 anima是很可笑很令人沮丧的事情，平均一次团队副本1-10h只能获取1件装备，我不知道你们在想什么？ 回到CTM那时的掉落不好吗？那时没有泰坦机制，但团本掉落数量也不低。
    另外就是m+的问题，团本掉落低了，m+的掉落也跟着低，这严重损害了大量没有固定团的人员的利益，他们已经没有继续玩这个游戏的理由。
    我想问问如今的暴雪设计师，你们现在做游戏的目的是什么？    我不知道设计师是怎么想的，降低掉落会带来巨大的负反馈，玩家付出了相当多的努力推倒boss却仅仅获取35 anima是很可笑很令人沮丧的事情，平均一次团队副本1-10h只能获取1件装备，我不知道你们在想什么？ 回到CTM那时的掉落不好吗？那时没有泰坦机制，但团本掉落数量也不低。
    另外就是m+的问题，团本掉落低了，m+的掉落也跟着低，这严重损害了大量没有固定团的人员的利益，他们已经没有继续玩这个游戏的理由。
    我想问问如今的暴雪设计师，你们现在做游戏的目的是什么？ 游戏不应该是给大家带来欢乐和笑容的吗？可是你们看看自己做的东西，你们的目的已经是——尽可能拖延玩家毕业的时间、尽可能把玩家绑在游戏里、尽可能让玩家花比以前更多的时间来达到自己的目的，从而维持在线率，提高你们那可悲的KPI，你们害怕玩家毕业了就不玩，害怕玩家afk，过了16年，依然没有搞懂，一个难度低、玩家也容易毕业的版本才是最繁荣的。
    数字不会说谎，两个月以内玩家订阅数一定会有一个崩溃，如果你们再不改，再继续伤害长久以来一直支持这个老游戏的玩家的感情，那么这个有史以来最伟大的PC游戏一定会毁在你们自己手上    … Expand
  85. xidengji
    Dec 28, 2020
    0
    装备掉落太低了，天天35心能玩尼玛呢。毫无追赶机制，职业严重不平衡，小号啥都得从来。0分不谢
  86. cjedwards
    Dec 28, 2020
    2
    This is `easily` the worst expansion pack created by the WoW Team.

    The good. Wonderful music and scenery. Bang on! You get to keep your characters from previous expansions. The bad. Blizzard seems to have taken the advice of every impatient person ever, now everything that took time is completed with no effort. Max level is only a handful of hours worth of game play. Any storyline    This is `easily` the worst expansion pack created by the WoW Team.

    The good.
    Wonderful music and scenery. Bang on! You get to keep your characters from previous expansions.

    The bad.
    Blizzard seems to have taken the advice of every impatient person ever, now everything that took time is completed with no effort. Max level is only a handful of hours worth of game play. Any storyline that is done in less than 24 hours means that storyline is clearly bad/thin/ignored.
    Then time-gates are everywhere to make the "play time" seem elevated, a great way to make charts for your blizzard directors!
    The reworked global cooldowns have wrecked the playability of classes. Massive boredom for many classes. (click wait 1 sec, click, wait 1 sec) skill/timing based play is gone gone gone.
    The end game is simply time gate after time gate.
    - every world quest daily takes about 3x longer than any WQ ever. example. 1 'kill' is =2% of progress. (so so bad)
    - terrible/no story once at max level (the bad is here! kill 200 of them! - useless reward)
    The 100% linear storyline is ~so bad~ that Blizzard asks if you want to skip it when you get to max level on your second 60.
    They took some of the interesting features of past expansions like the HoA or your Legendary weapon in Legion and put it behind a 'companion'(also time gated) that gives you abilities. (and if you want to enjoy the game, you have VERY VERY little choice as to your pick) So again if you do not work on those abilities, you are trash.
    Crafted legendaries are so bad(slightly better than epic) and you really only have a pick of one or two, you need to grind the again ~time gated~ 'random' made Torghast dungeon to make them better (through the earned currency).

    The Maw
    There is a whole super ugly, video laggy, (again time/progress gated) zone where you will lose items on death! This is a something that Blizz/Wow said they would NEVER do.
    This zone also has not only no flying, but no mounts!
    This zone also will kill you based on time played in the zone per day. If you want to work on the rep on the zone or build up the zone's currency, you cant, the time gated instant-kill will assure that you will die and drop the acquired currency.

    Torghast
    This zone would SEEM like something fun and new! Once you are forced to do it (for storyline) about 5 times you suddenly realize that its randomness is just Diablo squeezed into Wow. This hours long journey is pointless each and every time. You do it just becomes 'unlocked' and you earn small amounts of a currency each week. (better do it each and every week or be behind and non competitive)

    The End    … Expand
  87. joms-EU
    Dec 28, 2020
    0
    Game is so bad, dying to Rogues and Druids in under 3 sec and all my favorite spec are @ the buttom of the dps in raids, so just stopped going cause being a burden on my team is just sad. Loot is none existent havnt gotten a decent upgrade in almost 2 weeks and stopped doing M+ its just not worth it. Only solution is to get rid of Ion and really hire people that likes gaming and make sureGame is so bad, dying to Rogues and Druids in under 3 sec and all my favorite spec are @ the buttom of the dps in raids, so just stopped going cause being a burden on my team is just sad. Loot is none existent havnt gotten a decent upgrade in almost 2 weeks and stopped doing M+ its just not worth it. Only solution is to get rid of Ion and really hire people that likes gaming and make sure the dev dont all play horde, but that can be solved by removing the game diretor.… Expand
  88. Shamakhan
    Dec 28, 2020
    3
    Bagged piece of **** I have a feeling I'm playing some kind of Chinese pirate version of the game with 0 developers support.
  89. cerpow
    Dec 28, 2020
    1
    I have to say the graphics and music are superb. Other than that it's super boring and repetitive. Same quests over and over. f you like grinding non stop, this game is for you. Sad.
  90. ezpz23z
    Dec 27, 2020
    0
    I've only been playing WoW for a few months now and in my time playing the new release of shadowlands. holy heck this game is not for the casual players. its for the 1% elitist that have elite guilds. On top of this no mounts in the maw, one of the most anti-convenience expansions they have made in awhile. The hatred of Ion Hazzikotas towards casuals and people that like to fly in the gameI've only been playing WoW for a few months now and in my time playing the new release of shadowlands. holy heck this game is not for the casual players. its for the 1% elitist that have elite guilds. On top of this no mounts in the maw, one of the most anti-convenience expansions they have made in awhile. The hatred of Ion Hazzikotas towards casuals and people that like to fly in the game is really showing.… Expand
  91. ShinLei
    Dec 27, 2020
    2
    - Laggy regions since day one on my server
    - new record farminig Bots i've ever seen in a game
    - mainstory was boring for me and the quest objectives are repetive + you can skip it with your alts + Classes have great differente playstyles -daily workquest design, sitting with 20+ ppl waiting for respawns - the maw aka running without mount from a to b simulator - the maw design in    - Laggy regions since day one on my server
    - new record farminig Bots i've ever seen in a game
    - mainstory was boring for me and the quest objectives are repetive
    + you can skip it with your alts
    + Classes have great differente playstyles
    -daily workquest design, sitting with 20+ ppl waiting for respawns
    - the maw aka running without mount from a to b simulator
    - the maw design in generall
    - but are Unbalanced for every content, there is no focus. Why some classes like warriors can fight and survive even a heroic dungeon sole, others like mages will die from a 2nd added creep.
    + Raids are great    … Expand
  92. Leather_Moose
    Dec 27, 2020
    1
    I have no idea how the hell not a single reputable blogger/youtuber haven't mentioned how grindy this expansion is. At the end of BFA, blizzard said that shadowlands will have less grind, because every one was tired of farming azerite dust. Shadowlands rolled out, and expansion is unplayable unless you can play 40 hours a week, EVERY week. this was not the case with BFA. Currently youI have no idea how the hell not a single reputable blogger/youtuber haven't mentioned how grindy this expansion is. At the end of BFA, blizzard said that shadowlands will have less grind, because every one was tired of farming azerite dust. Shadowlands rolled out, and expansion is unplayable unless you can play 40 hours a week, EVERY week. this was not the case with BFA. Currently you have farm stygia, anima, renown, do the mandatory campaign, ashes from torgast. this is just to stay relevant in game, this is on TOP regular gear grind. this is too much. Also most of that grind is also locked behind reputation and covenant campaign. The catch up mechanics are also much worse than in other expansions. like i play warrior, i can play 10-15 hours a week and not every week. I'm so far behind in renown, and yet there are no way to just knock out some easy quests in one day and make up those 20 renown im missing in one day. Renown is way too important to have such a crappy catch up mechanic. I'll be skipping this expansion altogether because i simply can't play the game 40 hours a week just to stay relevant in game. Last thing to mention, what's the point of gear and levels when blizzard made content to scale to your level and gear? like you can't overpower the content, this is MMO lol, not call of duty, or moba, why are you trying to make a cyber sports out of it.....? what a bs.… Expand
  93. greyGame
    Dec 27, 2020
    6
    Not the worst expansion, but I see blizzard is running out of ideas. WOW exists already for 16 years and I've played each and every expansion since the vanilla and I'm so glad to see this game still lives. Only problem is that the story line doesn't make sense anymore...

    Expansion have some cool features developed, but these features are not applied to old content. This is a bit    Not the worst expansion, but I see blizzard is running out of ideas. WOW exists already for 16 years and I've played each and every expansion since the vanilla and I'm so glad to see this game still lives. Only problem is that the story line doesn't make sense anymore...

    Expansion have some cool features developed, but these features are not applied to old content. This is a bit disappointing. Game overall is great for spending time with friends and for fun not less not more.    … Expand
  94. ffdevin
    Dec 26, 2020
    2
    Nothing new just the same timegated garbage under new skins. For example if you hated bfa then don't expect anything better. Less dungeons more dailies... And the same toxic racist community. You are better off playing final fantasy as it has a more causal and rewarding experience. The class balance is bad with some classes reviewing 20-50 percent buffs or nerfs weekly
  95. jakaclank
    Dec 26, 2020
    2
    Over the years, WoW has lost so much and gained so little. For me, the story was really important to be immersed in the world. But now has completely lost its importance, since everything lore-wise has been utterly messed up. Yet, they try to emphasize the story aspect by forcing you to walk besides NPCs while they do their little dialogue like so many games before. This is quickly gettingOver the years, WoW has lost so much and gained so little. For me, the story was really important to be immersed in the world. But now has completely lost its importance, since everything lore-wise has been utterly messed up. Yet, they try to emphasize the story aspect by forcing you to walk besides NPCs while they do their little dialogue like so many games before. This is quickly getting really annoying if you just want to level your 6th alt to 60, or if the story doesn't interest you that much. As you have little to no choices to make in this game, it doesn't matter if you listen or not, but you'll have to wait anyway.

    To me, nothing in this expansion makes much sense. You are in actual hell/heaven of all existing worlds, yet everything behaves as though you are just in another land of Azeroth. Why do these creatures not surpass mortality, why do they have chairs, why do they have exactly the same weaknesses as mortals do, why do they need help from some random mortals who know nothing of their world.. And you are just doing the things, helping Elsa with horns and fairies with high-pitched screeches, helping skelly clans, helping schoolgirls/boys and their owls that say "yoohoo". And things are happening, lots of flashy cinematics and gasping voice actors, yet I couldn't care less what was going on. And believe me, I tried.

    Besides the story, leveling itself has really become a nuisance, as you are constantly being killed by higher level players of the opposing faction. The game is designed so that you continuously encounter other players of other factions of all levels during quest lines, so you are bound to come across dozens of players that kill you for amusement. Don't want that? Just switch off PvP and make leveling 10% slower and less enjoyable as you are deprived of some extra talents and experience bonuses. This is not fun to me, just badly designed.. The storyline is also really linear and not fun to replay.

    The combat system is fine, but nothing too innovative.

    Art is fine, but meh still (hell is just another rocky biome). Music is meh.

    Late game can be enjoyable, as instances work as they have done before, but why care what you get if the story is bad, if your items can be transmogrified, if there is almost no social aspect left in finding groups.

    (No experience with PvP, so no comments on that)

    I want to like WoW, but I just can't anymore. I would rather want them to start over completely than to continue this.    … Expand
  96. Faab83000
    Dec 26, 2020
    0
    This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. No finish game and no finish legendary and no finish balance class. Again game no frinish to exit… Expand
  97. Fynnuch
    Dec 26, 2020
    10
    Best expansion since wotlk. Amazing dungeons, amazing new regions. Covenant stories are awesome. Best lore. No crashes, not as many bugs as last expansion. Worth every penny.
  98. kjby
    Dec 26, 2020
    0
    Just Torghast alone gives this **** mess a 0... wast an hour to get to an completely impossible boss.
  99. Cryptex
    Dec 26, 2020
    0
    Отсутствие времени у разработчика сказывается на балансе в PvP, лучше бы вы никогда не добавляли ковенанты в мир , полнейший дисбаланс. Зря только потратил 3к рублей
  100. tremault
    Dec 25, 2020
    1
    An absolute joke.
    Remember some of the best quests and characters and events in wow? Shadowlands gives you none of this. Remembers the most boring zones such as desolace? Shadowlands provides lots of this.
    The writing is awful, with huge plotholes and stuff that just doesnt make sense. There are hardly any unique characters, and those that are unique dont even have their own unique model,    An absolute joke.
    Remember some of the best quests and characters and events in wow? Shadowlands gives you none of this. Remembers the most boring zones such as desolace? Shadowlands provides lots of this.
    The writing is awful, with huge plotholes and stuff that just doesnt make sense. There are hardly any unique characters, and those that are unique dont even have their own unique model, so they look the same as everyone else. You are locked to a linear quest and have literally zero choice on where you can go and what to do. This is an insult to all that has come before.    … Expand
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#34 Best PC Game of 2020
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#8 Most Discussed PC Game of 2020

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Metascore
83

Generally favorable reviews - based on 32 Critic Reviews

Critic score distribution:
  1. Positive: 31 out of 32
  2. Mixed: 1 out of 32
  3. Negative: 0 out of 32
  1. LEVEL (Czech Republic)
    Apr 12, 2021
    80
    Blizzard finally comes with an alt-friendly expansion that brings back the best features of the previous ones. The patch that WoW desperately needed. [Issue#309]
  2. Shacknews
    Jan 29, 2021
    90
    World of Warcraft: Shadowlands certainly manages to capture the same feelings we’ve had since first started playing the game. The leveling experience overhaul, constant sense of progress with rewards, and new campaign stories make Shadowlands a must-have for any avid player.
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  3. GamingTrend
    Jan 27, 2021
    90
    World of Warcraft: Shadowlands is a return to greatness for the franchise. The content is both accessible and fun for all types of players, and the story actually makes you feel like everything you’re doing is helping to save the Shadowlands. Torghast is one of the best features ever added and makes each experience unique and fun. While there are some issues which can slow down the time it takes to get everything you want, the journey there is still enjoyable.
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