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  1. BobBob
    Mar 28, 2009
    0
    this rating system is flawed. post all reviews for all games of every platform to get the real scores, not the ones that the owners of this site like so they can have an effect on the end score. this in no way deserves to have the 2nd highest rating ever.
  2. JohnV
    Mar 9, 2008
    0
    Bland and boring to some, great to others. I for one felt like i wasted my money.
  3. GMan
    Aug 14, 2009
    0
    I appreciate that this is game to be marked under its own merits but the fact remains this is NOT AND NEVER WILL BE the 2nd best game ever made. Its very appearance in the top 20 is an insult to gamers and creators alike.
  4. MrBear
    Sep 23, 2009
    0
    Note that Gamespy gave this game a 100...
    Also not that gamespy gave ES3 - oblivion an 80.

    Thats a random boring baseball sim, a perfect score,
    and the second best rpg ever created (morrowind being #1), receiving an 80...
    Anyone starting to wonder about...
    A). Gamespy's legitamacy?
    B). This game's legitamacy?
    C). Meta-critic's legitamacy?
  5. RobJ
    Dec 31, 2009
    1
    This game sounds great for baseball fans, I'll admit that, and that is the sole reason it is not getting a 0. It has been rated by merely 5, of which 4 I KNOW give high ratings to every game. I dont usually look at sports games, but as this was 2nd, I decided to check it out. I've read some of the reviews, and to be honest with you, I'd rather play Big Rigs: Over the Road This game sounds great for baseball fans, I'll admit that, and that is the sole reason it is not getting a 0. It has been rated by merely 5, of which 4 I KNOW give high ratings to every game. I dont usually look at sports games, but as this was 2nd, I decided to check it out. I've read some of the reviews, and to be honest with you, I'd rather play Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing, which has been given a mere 8. I may be wrong about this game, but for me, and many other gamers out there, this should not be in the top10. The reason this has such a high score as 4.6 is because most gamers would barely look at a sports sim. And how can you give this a 10 when you say in the same setence this has no sound? Expand
  6. SkeratarB.
    Jan 11, 2008
    1
    This game can be a good one in its own category. But there is no way that it can be better than many of the greatest games in PC gaming history. I think this is biased.
  7. JoshWoolley
    Nov 9, 2007
    0
    I dont believe this was even reviewed, i think its a joke. This game is about as user friendly as a courgette with wheels. I have never seen such a ridiculous score, the amount of games that deserve higher than this, is unthinkable - this is outrageous. While being, perhaps < and i emphasize perhaps, one of the top sims, it is not even close to the creative genius of games like half life,I dont believe this was even reviewed, i think its a joke. This game is about as user friendly as a courgette with wheels. I have never seen such a ridiculous score, the amount of games that deserve higher than this, is unthinkable - this is outrageous. While being, perhaps < and i emphasize perhaps, one of the top sims, it is not even close to the creative genius of games like half life, portal, call of duty and world in conflict that it sits next to - or on top of. Expand
  8. mobius
    Aug 4, 2009
    0
    boring game. and should be taken out of the top rated list on metacritic, just because it only got 5 votes means that it sits at no2 in the all time greats. metacritic should only allow games that have been reviewed by at least 10 different people before it stick it up in the heavins lik they have.
  9. ValV
    Jan 12, 2010
    1
    Honestly, this isn't a good game. It simply isn't fun. Doesn't deserve to be better than the orange box. Orange box has given me litterally hundreds of hours of entertainment for £30. No contest.
  10. johns
    Jun 17, 2009
    1
    This game, while an interesting spreadsheet app, is not a game. Futhermore, it cannot be view upon as even encrouching the same plain as such greats as bioshock, oblivion or eve sailor moon. Baseball isnt even that fun anyway.
  11. CryoB
    Jun 17, 2009
    1
    While this game might compare decently against others of it's genre, this type of game in general only appeals to a very limited number of people. The only reason this holds the number two spot for PC games is because very few publications considered it worth their time to review. Those who did were the handful of reviewers who enjoy this type of game. The all-time high score list is While this game might compare decently against others of it's genre, this type of game in general only appeals to a very limited number of people. The only reason this holds the number two spot for PC games is because very few publications considered it worth their time to review. Those who did were the handful of reviewers who enjoy this type of game. The all-time high score list is flawed in that it only requires a game to have four reviews to be counted. The five reviews this game managed to receive leave a very high margin of error. One suggestion would be to require games to have a minimum number of reviews to make the list. Requiring a set minimum would unfortunately have the effect of removing a number of older classic titles from the list, due to the fewer number of publications that metacritic has on file from that time. This could be amended by basing the minimum on the average number of scores that games received in the year of their release. That way, a game released in the last few years with only five reviews would have practically no chance of making the list, but another from the mid 90s might, as the number of available reviews would be comparable to other games from that time. Expand
  12. Jul 25, 2011
    0
    Number 2 PC game of all time! Ridiculous. A game should require more than 5 reviews to make it onto the metacritic listing. This game is horribly boring.
  13. Jan 17, 2011
    1
    A sports game like this getting tied for the greatest video games of all time??? with Bioshock and Half Life? Are you serious? What on earth happened here?
  14. JoeB.
    Aug 4, 2007
    1
    This game is less fun than clipping my toe nails.
  15. JackS.
    May 26, 2007
    3
    Cookie cutter graphics, and game play. was bored within an hour. no replay value. waste of money.
  16. BruceD.
    Oct 12, 2008
    0
    Wow, this game does not even compare with the others that are on this Top list... This game entry should be manually edited to reflect reality. Since I've actually played this game, I'd give it a rating of 3/10, but it's getting a 0/10 as this rating system is ridiculous.
  17. JohnW
    Dec 5, 2008
    0
    This game is terrible, and should NOT in any way appear in this list. This game has only got this position, and I mean ONLY, because of the frigging 5 reviews it has received. NO GAME can receive this position along with Half-Life 2 because "5 reviews" said so. This should be get AWAY from Metacritic. Nobody knows about this game, this game definitely do NOT deserve this position.
  18. JohnnyAnonymous
    Dec 26, 2009
    0
    I had never even heard of this game before this site. It's blows. They say the reviews are weighted, and calculated. Hmmmm... maybe they should FIX the formula. Want an ACCURATE rating? --gamerankings-- search it.
  19. Jan 28, 2011
    0
    I fail to see how can this game get perfect critic when it fails to provide fun after the first minute. Seems that SI made some fishy deals to get this game up. Anyhow, a complete offense to game makers and players alike.
  20. BenjaminK
    Dec 15, 2009
    0
    This might be a great game, but simply caus of the 5 critics this cant be #2 folowing hl²...
  21. JasonMowers
    May 17, 2009
    0
    I don't care how realistic this game is, because if you're not a fan of baseball (like me) there is no way you could enjoy this game. It's a shame that you see it in the 2nd place of "Best PC games of all time" as it is nowhere near it and actually GOOD games deserve this spot.
  22. ShankarP
    Dec 28, 2009
    2
    Spend a little money, buy a high score. This is by no means a good baseball sim... If you are looking for a good fantasy baseball game, this is NOT for you. Full of bugs, the basic build of the game includes MALWARE straight off the CD! The data harvesting has earned the developer and the publisher some hefty international class action lawsuits, and I am surprised to see it has made Spend a little money, buy a high score. This is by no means a good baseball sim... If you are looking for a good fantasy baseball game, this is NOT for you. Full of bugs, the basic build of the game includes MALWARE straight off the CD! The data harvesting has earned the developer and the publisher some hefty international class action lawsuits, and I am surprised to see it has made metacritic's top ten! Expand
  23. Jun 20, 2011
    0
    I appreciate that this is game to be marked under its own merits but the fact remains this is NOT AND NEVER WILL BE the 2nd best game ever made. Its very appearance in the top 20 is an insult to gamers and creators alike.
  24. JimG
    Aug 3, 2009
    1
    Ok so the only reason im here is cuz a buddy of mine said that this was the #2 game one meta, and it was the best baseball game ever. Im very skeptical of sports games in general, my view is that if you have one of each sport then u have them all, and this was no exception. football, baseball, soccer, i just have the first one of each i ever bought cuz really they dont actually get any Ok so the only reason im here is cuz a buddy of mine said that this was the #2 game one meta, and it was the best baseball game ever. Im very skeptical of sports games in general, my view is that if you have one of each sport then u have them all, and this was no exception. football, baseball, soccer, i just have the first one of each i ever bought cuz really they dont actually get any more fun as time goes on. This really didn't impress me at all, sure it might stack up well against other games in the genre but this is nothing compared to half life, bioshock, diablo or any other games in the top 10. to put this above 8 other games is an insult the those 8 below it. the average development time for a new sports game is a year or so if its decent. half life 2 was like 3. the only reason this game has the score it does is because it only has 5 reviews and those reviews were given by people who love sports games. If you look at most sports games reviews they are unusually and consistently high anyway. Expand
  25. AdamS.
    Jun 3, 2007
    3
    Same thing we've come to expect from run of the mill baseball games. Ok for your average fan, but no one else will find this appealing nor fun beyond the first game.
  26. HarrisonF.
    Jan 5, 2008
    0
    Generic unfun game, does not deserve to be in top 5.
  27. ShakeN.
    Feb 3, 2008
    0
    Wow thats lame, i think someone hacked the server and put the under 20 scores (all 5 of them) in the 100 category. disgraceful, and stupid. 5 reviews..... absolute crap. This game beats bioshock, half life , halo 1,2,3, and Fable. Absolute sh*t.
  28. TomP.
    Apr 22, 2008
    0
    Sure, baseball fans may love the game, but this game does not have universal acclaim - or anything approaching universal acclaim. It sits very uncomfortably with the classic PC games listed alongside it. Have I played it? No. After reading the reviews I have no desire at all to play it. Have I played every other game listed in the top 20? Yes - as I suspect most PC gamers of any long term Sure, baseball fans may love the game, but this game does not have universal acclaim - or anything approaching universal acclaim. It sits very uncomfortably with the classic PC games listed alongside it. Have I played it? No. After reading the reviews I have no desire at all to play it. Have I played every other game listed in the top 20? Yes - as I suspect most PC gamers of any long term standing would have. It is unfortunate Out of the Park Baseball effectively mars what is otherwise a classic collection of games. Expand
  29. DavidG
    Apr 29, 2008
    2
    No simulation capability and very boring. Strat-o-matic and older board games are far superior. If the makers come up with a workable simulation game based on "real" players, maybe the game would be better.
  30. PhilT.
    Jun 18, 2008
    0
    Buying this was a major mistake - fans of (American) baseball need only apply - for the other 99.9% of people, steer clear.
  31. AndreiM.
    Sep 30, 2008
    0
    This is a bad joke, this game cannot be compared to Half Life saga. How could you put it in the 2nd position of all time games??? I never heard of it, neither my friends.
  32. GregL
    Mar 3, 2009
    0
    This isn't a game, it's a spreadsheet with pretty graphics. The 'game' content here just doesn't compare to the other real games in the top 20 list. It's easy to make crap like this but making Half-Life 2, BIoshock or even Quake is much much harder. Take this spreadsheet down!
  33. Scryer
    Jul 27, 2007
    1
    Another sim, not creative at all.Why is this the second best game ever according to metacritic? This is just like the top movies, with superman II being on 2nd spot. Theres some flaw in metacritic scores when theres too few reviewers I guess.
  34. DylanR
    Oct 4, 2008
    0
    It doesn't matter how "good" this game is. It's a baseball sim, and it pollutes the high ranks of the PC games. It's high up due to a fluke, only about 5 reviews that were high.
  35. JamesT.
    Oct 7, 2008
    0
    It's a decent enough baseball simulation but the lack of sound totally ruins it for me, i'll go back to wii sports baseball purely for the smash of the ball.
  36. IanS.
    May 28, 2008
    2
    I have no idea how this can be included among the classics such as Half Life, Half Life 2, The Orange Box and Bioshock! How did this happen!?
  37. MichaelR.
    Jun 29, 2009
    0
    This game does not deserve to be with the likes Diablo, Quake and Half-Life. When metacritic decides to get some more realistic review scores attached to this game, I would be more than happy to do the same.
  38. DrewB
    Oct 8, 2009
    4
    Completely boring. I played it and I was expecting the second best game I have ever played. I am not into baseball but I enjoy every type of sports game. I am not into hockey but some of the hockey pc games out there are damn entertaining. Honestly it wasn't that great. I dont see why you guys have it up so high. I still put some of the old games before the newest ones. Like the Completely boring. I played it and I was expecting the second best game I have ever played. I am not into baseball but I enjoy every type of sports game. I am not into hockey but some of the hockey pc games out there are damn entertaining. Honestly it wasn't that great. I dont see why you guys have it up so high. I still put some of the old games before the newest ones. Like the original half-life: Day one was very good. Very rare to see anyone play it today. Expand
  39. BenS
    Jun 15, 2009
    2
    Its such a shame that this game is allowed to be seated here. It lets me know that metacritic, despite how good it's system looks, is invariably flawed. A game that most would never dream of caring about, being a 96; who'd of thought. That's like placing little miss muppet e-bakez in 2nd seat and saying, best child cooking simulation EVER!!! It doesn't change the fact Its such a shame that this game is allowed to be seated here. It lets me know that metacritic, despite how good it's system looks, is invariably flawed. A game that most would never dream of caring about, being a 96; who'd of thought. That's like placing little miss muppet e-bakez in 2nd seat and saying, best child cooking simulation EVER!!! It doesn't change the fact that no one cares, no one wants to play it, and it only tarnishes the metacritic image. Also, this is goes out to gamespy, who awarded Oblivion, easily part of the top 3 greatest rpgs of all time, an 80... thats right, greatest rpg, an 80, this game?? 100!!! You lost this fan's respect. Expand
  40. Mar 11, 2011
    0
    After playing this yawner of a sports game I had come to one conclusion: Payola can only explain the 100 percent reviews for this piece of junk. The interface is crap, the graphics mediocre and the actually game play is like eating dry toast. Just awful.
  41. Jan 11, 2012
    0
    This review contains spoilers, click expand to view. this position here as a test of the voting system? I can not understand another reason to see this "game" so highly. -->>> 0 10 Expand
  42. MarkR.
    Aug 20, 2007
    0
    I don't believe how this game made it to top 5 games for pc. This game is both boring and annoying. I'd rather be cleaning my front yard then playing this game.
  43. CL
    Jul 25, 2007
    1
    When I saw a sports simulator on the top 20 list I was dumbfounded. In actual fact, I am startled every time I see one of these games OUT of the top 20 worst games ever made, considering the creative talent required to make yet another sports simulator is on par with releasing a new Jaws movie and calling it fresh. I was so startled, in fact, that i went out and purchased this game, my When I saw a sports simulator on the top 20 list I was dumbfounded. In actual fact, I am startled every time I see one of these games OUT of the top 20 worst games ever made, considering the creative talent required to make yet another sports simulator is on par with releasing a new Jaws movie and calling it fresh. I was so startled, in fact, that i went out and purchased this game, my curiosity and skepticism getting the better of me. I was not surprised however to find yet another repetitious, sweaty, jock filled pile of facetious sport simulator crap. The fact that this even comes close to titles like Half-Life 2 and actually out-rates titles such as Starcraft, Counter-Strike and World of Warcraft is truly a felony. If you want to play sport, go out and do it; game coders should be ashamed to trick these poor apes into doing something that is supposed to make them fit in front of a screen. When you even start to compare the hours and creativity spent coding and designing titles like "Elder Scrolls: Oblivion" to this dim-witted rip off of the millions of likewise games released over the last 10 years, it really makes you realize just how fraudulent these arid producers are being even trying to sell us this bile-coated code. Not disappointing, as I was never appointed in the first place, just plain crap. Expand
  44. WesleyV.
    May 26, 2007
    0
    Very nice game
  45. Nov 1, 2011
    0
    Bland and boring to some, great to others. I for one felt like i wasted my money. Bland and boring to some, great to others. I for one felt like i wasted my money.
  46. Feb 9, 2014
    0
    what a waste of money and time, not only did I not enjoy this game in the slightest but it's metascore is suggests it is a well made game. I now know otherwise, and I strongly recommend you stay away from this game.
  47. AnonymousMC
    May 6, 2008
    0
    FUCK U METACRITIC FUCK U MOTEHRFUCKER AND MOTEHR FUCKERS READING THIS. FUCK ALL FUCKING SPORTS. FUCK ALL FUCK BASSBALL. FUCK FUCKING OUT OF SHOT BASSBALL 07 THIS IS SHOT. ALL OF U MOTHERFUCKING CRITICS AND MOTERHFUCKERS THAT GAVE THIS SHIT ANY SCORE OR A GOOD SCVORE ARE NOBOIDES AHVE NO LIFE WILL NEVER HAVE NO LIFE AND U AN D U ALL THAT ARE READING THIS THIS SHTI A FUCKING FUCKING TOPFUCK U METACRITIC FUCK U MOTEHRFUCKER AND MOTEHR FUCKERS READING THIS. FUCK ALL FUCKING SPORTS. FUCK ALL FUCK BASSBALL. FUCK FUCKING OUT OF SHOT BASSBALL 07 THIS IS SHOT. ALL OF U MOTHERFUCKING CRITICS AND MOTERHFUCKERS THAT GAVE THIS SHIT ANY SCORE OR A GOOD SCVORE ARE NOBOIDES AHVE NO LIFE WILL NEVER HAVE NO LIFE AND U AN D U ALL THAT ARE READING THIS THIS SHTI A FUCKING FUCKING TOP FUCKING GAME FOR PC FUCK U FUCK U FUCK UF CUKF U FUCK U FUCK U COMPLETELRY AND TATLLY FUCK U U SHOULD JUST CUT OFF URE BALLS AND PUT IT IN YOUR ASS FUKINGIN METACRTITIC DELETE THIS FUKCING SITE ADELETE THIS GAME. THIS GAME FUCKING GAME U SAY IS OHH ONE OF BEST PC GAMES WELL FUCKING FCUK U METACRITIC FUCK U FUUUUUUKC U FUCKKK U FUCK OUT OF PARK BASEBALL07 FUCK METACTRIC THIS IS NOT A TOP PC GAME AOH AND ONE MORE THING YEHA FUCK U FUCK U FUCK FU F CUKF U FUCK U FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK U FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKC U OH AYEAH AND FUUUUKC U, OMNE MORE THING FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK U METACRIC. AND FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK OUT OF PARK BASSBALL THIS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKING SHIHHIT SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK AOH YEAH AND COMPLETLEY AND TYATALLY FUCK YOUR LIFE METACRITC Expand
  48. Dec 6, 2014
    0
    How the hell did this get such a high score from reviewers? Did they actually play it?
    Fiddly controls, crappy visuals, weird gameplay. Only pay-to-win could make this worse!
  49. Jul 16, 2014
    0
    A sports game like this getting tied for the greatest video games of all time??? with Bioshock and Half Life? Are you serious? What on earth happened here?
  50. May 21, 2011
    0
    What the hell is this doing in the best games of all time list. Critics really need t o stop getting bribed, and the system should take user reviews into account, as they're the real reviews.
  51. Jul 2, 2013
    0
    I am giving this a zero based purely on the principle that to be on the top of Metacritic's list as the best PC game of all time shows how ridiculously broken the system is.
    I have even played better baseball games than this on PC let alone the other 99.99% of games out there.
    Pathetic system that I lost any faith in when I saw this at the top of the PC list.
  52. Sep 11, 2013
    0
    It is my duty to downvote this falacy. How can a sport game which is a fraud in itself can be better than the orange box or Baldur's Gate 2. It only have 5 vote, while other Valve game have the same score with 80 vote. Just this in itsefl should be enough to remove it. I just cant stand to see this game on-par with other best game of all time, this is a fraud and metacritic should correctIt is my duty to downvote this falacy. How can a sport game which is a fraud in itself can be better than the orange box or Baldur's Gate 2. It only have 5 vote, while other Valve game have the same score with 80 vote. Just this in itsefl should be enough to remove it. I just cant stand to see this game on-par with other best game of all time, this is a fraud and metacritic should correct it right now. Expand
  53. Jul 16, 2013
    0
    This game was meh for its time but overall a boring game with a super over rated score. No way does this game deserve 2nd best PC game. A MAJOR insult to PC gamers and Developers alike. Psht
  54. Jun 2, 2014
    0
    A good game ? Maybe. A game that deserves to be the 2nd best game ever made ? Certainly not. Just because of 5 critic reviews, this game is overrated.
  55. Aug 30, 2012
    0
    Seriously? Second best PC game ever made? I can think of hundreds of better games, without even barely scratching the surface. I'm surprised this is even in the top 1,000, much less the top 2.
  56. Jul 11, 2012
    0
    Metacritic, sort this out. Having this as the 2nd best PC Game ever is ridiculous.

    The fact it's rated so highly, makes your site/rating system look flawed. For pro reviews, there should be a minimum of 10 entries, any less, then it's a niche anyway.

    Infact, surely there should be some kind of degrading system as time goes by.
  57. Mar 27, 2013
    0
    Worst base ball game I have ever played.....almost as if no thought was put into it at all. MLB is waaaaay better than this piece of steaming crap. Do not buy
  58. Nov 25, 2013
    0
    This is not one of the best games ever created by man. Around this game are greats such as arkahm city and gtav and bioshock and goldeneye Metacritic sorts your balls out, booiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
  59. Mar 1, 2012
    0
    Someone obviously payed "professional reviewers" money to give it such a score. It was boring. It wasn't even up to the level of the EA MLB series. It probably deserves maybe a 5 but the reason I'm giving it such a horrible score is because the user score needs to outweigh the overrated joke of the professional score
  60. Jul 16, 2012
    0
    haha no.
    This game does not deserve his score. Do not play it. A few fanboy critics are the only people who reviewed it, and anyone who is not a fan of baseball games will hate its guts. This needs to be taken down from no.2 of all time.
    Now.
  61. Oct 9, 2011
    2
    Baseball getting 96% are you **** me???? I was a fan of old classice like hardball on the Amiga back in the day when swinging a bat and hitting a ball was considered gameplay.... but nowadays it's probably one of the most boring sports to make into a video game. Seriously need balancing scores.
  62. Aug 4, 2012
    1
    One point awarded for probably being a good sport SIM. Nine deducted for being worthless for the rest of us that want to play a game and have fun.

    I simply cannot understand why this should be even close to the top 100 in an all time list of PC games.
  63. Jun 17, 2014
    1
    Did the critics get paid for writing the reviews or did the game developers just kidnap their whole family and hold a knife on their throats? Probably both.
  64. Mar 31, 2014
    1
    How the hell does this have such an excellent score. I mean, seriously!? 96 is a critic score it shares with HALF LIFE 2. It does not deserve to be called equal to Half-Life. Ever.
  65. May 5, 2015
    0
    The fact that this game is on the second spot of PC games is just a prove that press has no idea of rating games. Yeah, it's pretty decent. But in any way is it better than Bioshock, PoE, or Portal.
  66. Jan 13, 2019
    0
    Что-то уж слишком все ху*во и уеб*щно,а так же гнусно,паршиво,ебл*иво и вообще еба* я ее...
Metascore
96

Universal acclaim - based on 5 Critic Reviews

Critic score distribution:
  1. Positive: 5 out of 5
  2. Mixed: 0 out of 5
  3. Negative: 0 out of 5
  1. 100
    If you have any interest in the guts of baseball, OOTP 2007 is simply a must-own product. It's a landmark achievement. It's weird to think about it: It took a London-based company known for its soccer management games and a German-born developer with a passion for the sport to produce arguably the best and most complete simulation of America's Pastime.
  2. 100
    Anyone who's ever dreamed of running a professional team in some capacity, or anyone who enjoys fantasy baseball, baseball board games, or similar products, will absolutely love what OOTP 2007 offers. Any criticisms of the game are merely trivial; in the end it comes down to this: This is the best “fantasy” baseball gaming package ever created.
  3. AceGamez
    90
    Out of the Park Baseball 2007 is not a perfect game, as it lacks the human touch that fills baseball and its general manager positions, but there are so many aspects that it digitally replicates with excellence that this doesn't matter.