User Score
6.8

Mixed or average reviews- based on 310 Ratings

User score distribution:
  1. Negative: 89 out of 310
Buy Now
Buy on

Review this game

  1. Your Score
    0 out of 10
    Rate this:
    • 10
    • 9
    • 8
    • 7
    • 6
    • 5
    • 4
    • 3
    • 2
    • 1
    • 0
    • 0
  1. Submit
  2. Check Spelling
  1. RichardC.
    Aug 17, 2006
    3
    It looks like a great game on the cover but, there are many game-killers. For one, people not familiar with this sort of massive-space-sim genre it will be nearly impossible and incredibly confusing to get into it. Also, for those who want action, let me tell you I shot at a random space-station floating in space, then was informed on my radio that the space police were coming for me, and It looks like a great game on the cover but, there are many game-killers. For one, people not familiar with this sort of massive-space-sim genre it will be nearly impossible and incredibly confusing to get into it. Also, for those who want action, let me tell you I shot at a random space-station floating in space, then was informed on my radio that the space police were coming for me, and it took them half an hour to reach me, I watched them approach very, very, very slowly. And this game does pretty much drag on. So, if you're new to this genre, want action, don't have patience don't waste your time with this. Expand
  2. Neil
    Aug 18, 2006
    3
    I guess 3 is a good score seeing as i just can't get into this game. And please before i get slagged for being a computer playing one-night-stand kinda guy i do like my strategy games and i do invest time into deep games. But X3 promises so much and delivers so little. I agree it comes so close to being an all time classic, but then all time classics never had so many people slag it I guess 3 is a good score seeing as i just can't get into this game. And please before i get slagged for being a computer playing one-night-stand kinda guy i do like my strategy games and i do invest time into deep games. But X3 promises so much and delivers so little. I agree it comes so close to being an all time classic, but then all time classics never had so many people slag it off. No tutorial on a mass interstella giant of a game is not only ridiculous but down right lazy. I guess it would have pushed the release date back but cmon!! Yes a generous 3 from me. Expand
  3. SteveA.
    Aug 25, 2006
    4
    I could see this being a great game if you have 18 hours a day to really get to grips with it. I was not interested in the story part of the game and was looking forward to the free trading and empire building side of things but found the game far too slow to get going. At the start of the game you have to manually tell your ships what to do and in order to get more ships you have to earn I could see this being a great game if you have 18 hours a day to really get to grips with it. I was not interested in the story part of the game and was looking forward to the free trading and empire building side of things but found the game far too slow to get going. At the start of the game you have to manually tell your ships what to do and in order to get more ships you have to earn a LOT of money. I found this to be an incredibly tedious task. After about 30 or 40 hours of play (most of which just envolved trading in the most basic of items) i did not seem to have made any real progress and eventually gave up. I have not played the story game and would be interested to hear what people have to say about it, but at the moment i fear i might go insane through boredom if i give the game another go. I short if you are willing to put in a serious amout of gameplay this could be a very rewarding game otherwise dont bother. Expand
  4. PeterL.
    Jan 27, 2007
    2
    This game could have been good. It has the rough beginnings of what could eventually become a fun, intuitive and immersive game. But instead it's boring, slow and uninteresting. I tried to like this game, I really did. But in the end, all I got for my trouble was 10 hours off of my life and an unhealthy dose of frustration. If you're looking for a cool, fast-paced, exciting, fun This game could have been good. It has the rough beginnings of what could eventually become a fun, intuitive and immersive game. But instead it's boring, slow and uninteresting. I tried to like this game, I really did. But in the end, all I got for my trouble was 10 hours off of my life and an unhealthy dose of frustration. If you're looking for a cool, fast-paced, exciting, fun and innovative space game, keep looking. Expand
  5. JustinA.
    May 19, 2007
    4
    Alot of people gave this game a 10, thats probably because they like sitting on their butts for hours at a time not getting anywhere and just flying around in space. This game is such a waste of time and if you die somewhere in a mission and dont save the game frequently you will have to start all the way back from whichever save you did. You wont get to try again from the region you just Alot of people gave this game a 10, thats probably because they like sitting on their butts for hours at a time not getting anywhere and just flying around in space. This game is such a waste of time and if you die somewhere in a mission and dont save the game frequently you will have to start all the way back from whichever save you did. You wont get to try again from the region you just entered, the game should really autosave everytime you enter a new zone. The game is still buggy in storyline mode even with the 3 patches. Oh and you have to play this game a VERY long time to understand all the concepts like trading and buying new ships, not to mention making your own space stations. I dont have the patience for these types of games so if you think you dont either dont spend the 20 bucks. Expand
  6. SunR.
    Sep 13, 2007
    4
    I must admit the most, and only, exciting element of this game is nothing but its splendid scene, and that's why i am here to give it a 4. it could be better if the designers would like to spend a couple of hours playing this game in person, but, they did not. if you are willing to waste a good many of times to do something with extremely low efficiency, then x3 is your choice. the I must admit the most, and only, exciting element of this game is nothing but its splendid scene, and that's why i am here to give it a 4. it could be better if the designers would like to spend a couple of hours playing this game in person, but, they did not. if you are willing to waste a good many of times to do something with extremely low efficiency, then x3 is your choice. the aweful autopilot, poorly designed docking place, discoordinated combat command, and perfunctorily designed story line, all and all, make the game a piece of junk. trust me, don't be hookwinked by the beautiful ad poster if you are looking for a really imaginative and excellent space game! Expand
  7. GlennT.
    Jan 12, 2008
    0
    Near as I can tell this game suffers from a flaw that no game should suffer from this century. A flaw that should give almost every game that has it a zero rating. That flaw is the lack of fully reconfigurable controls. I could find no way to reverse the mouse Y axis and as a result I can't and don't play the game. It is too bad that magazines and game sites don't get down Near as I can tell this game suffers from a flaw that no game should suffer from this century. A flaw that should give almost every game that has it a zero rating. That flaw is the lack of fully reconfigurable controls. I could find no way to reverse the mouse Y axis and as a result I can't and don't play the game. It is too bad that magazines and game sites don't get down on games for this. It would be so simple for the programmers to make all the controls reconfigurable that there is absolutely no reason not to do it for every single game and that includes consoles not just PC games. Unfortunately this fact isn't in most reviews so I am still buying games only to find out afterwards that I can't change the controls, and it's the rare game that doesn't need it. One of the reasons I play PC games, besides the graphics, is to have better control. I use a programmable gamepad and a mouse (simultaneously because I use the mouse in my left hand) to play almost all games but having a programmable gamepad doesn't help if you can't reconfigure the controls. Instead of useless age ratings for games, they should pass a gameplay certification and one of the requirements should be FULLY reconfigurable controls. It's 2008 dammit, not 1980. Expand
  8. CraigWalker
    Dec 4, 2008
    0
    I can't see how anyone could really want to put so much effort into learning how to use this game. I meen the game 'could' be good if i new how to use it. But then its so slow and borring its like a mental challege just to stick in to learn how to work everything. The controls are just anouther thing that gets in the way. They should make people complete this game as a punishment!
  9. PissPoor
    Nov 19, 2005
    0
    The reviewers must have purchased a European edition. One with the CD-ROMs actually in the box.

    It appears that the US edition was shipped either with blank CD's in the package or NO CD at all!! I purchased two copies - the first had blank CD's .. I returned it to the store & exchanged it for another copy of X3 and this time there were NO CD's in the box!! And now the
    The reviewers must have purchased a European edition. One with the CD-ROMs actually in the box.

    It appears that the US edition was shipped either with blank CD's in the package or NO CD at all!! I purchased two copies - the first had blank CD's .. I returned it to the store & exchanged it for another copy of X3 and this time there were NO CD's in the box!! And now the store is giving me a hard time about returning the second one - so I may be out $40!!. Un-f'in-believable.
    Expand
  10. DON'TWASTEYOURMONEY
    Nov 19, 2005
    0
    Was really looking forward to playing this game. However, it appears that game manufacturers have some serious production problems. Other users have noted bugs. I have experienced the biggest bug of all. The copy of X3 that I purchased didn't have any game discs inside. Zilch. Nothing. Well, the box did contain a booklet, but what good is the booklet without the game?!! Now I'm Was really looking forward to playing this game. However, it appears that game manufacturers have some serious production problems. Other users have noted bugs. I have experienced the biggest bug of all. The copy of X3 that I purchased didn't have any game discs inside. Zilch. Nothing. Well, the box did contain a booklet, but what good is the booklet without the game?!! Now I'm out $40 because the store refused to exchange. @#$%^&! Expand
  11. A$40SetofCoasters
    Nov 19, 2005
    0
    Egosoft and Enlight have some explaining to do. My X3 discs were missing files that aborted my install of the game. What good is a game that won't install?!! And Enlight's Tech Support was an exercise in futility. I didn't need another $40 set of coasters; I got those when I purchased Master of Orion 3.
  12. BugzLife
    Nov 21, 2005
    2
    I was off to such a good start. My copy of the game came with all the CD's in the box. And none of the code was missing - the game installed without a hitch. However, what did install is basically an expansion pack for X2. And it's chock full of bugs!! Definitely wasn't worth what I shelled out for it. Major disappointment.
  13. SteveT.
    Dec 12, 2005
    0
    Anyone giving this a high score is downright fibbing,..never have i seen such a badly put together game,as others have said,its worse than beta,it jusy isnt what it says on box. learning curve is huge because theres no tutorials,way too many keys,by the time you have told your ship to do something its been destroyed....the economy is a joke...everything in it is either missing or Anyone giving this a high score is downright fibbing,..never have i seen such a badly put together game,as others have said,its worse than beta,it jusy isnt what it says on box. learning curve is huge because theres no tutorials,way too many keys,by the time you have told your ship to do something its been destroyed....the economy is a joke...everything in it is either missing or broken.....only redeeming factor is the graphics...but that doesnt help when NOTHING in it works.....as for the tech forum,well thats just being ignored or given generic excuse of blaming your pc or codecs......they do promise to fix it,but will not say when,if ever.....steer well clear of this, as i returned it the next day, JUST from reding their own forum. Expand
  14. TyroneKnight
    Dec 14, 2005
    0
    First time 2 of my cd's were blank. Never had that before in 11 years of CD games and hundreds of CD's bought.

    Tried them on 2 pc's, even stuck them in my Hi-Fi to see if it came up with the "Data" error - Nope - blank as a liberals perception of consequence. Went back to Walmart - they insisted in checking themselves - got a man in a suit to examine the CD's (in
    First time 2 of my cd's were blank. Never had that before in 11 years of CD games and hundreds of CD's bought.

    Tried them on 2 pc's, even stuck them in my Hi-Fi to see if it came up with the "Data" error - Nope - blank as a liberals perception of consequence.

    Went back to Walmart - they insisted in checking themselves - got a man in a suit to examine the CD's (in case i'd faked them I guess ?) In return I insisted they check the CD's they were replacing them with ...guess what ... they were blank as well !!

    After nearly 90 minutes in the shop i left with a full set of CD's with data intact.

    Fired up my system, spent 40 minutes installing and registering with Egosoft (don't bother with Enlight, they know nothing, go to Egosoft, they know a little bit more, but not much)

    The menu stuttered, thought it must be HD cacheing, but the stuttering didn't go away, MY system is way above minimum spec (Intel 3200 HT - 6800 Ultra 256Meg and a gig of RAM) but the game played in slow motion

    Fiddled for an hour, downloaded something called frap to see how fast it was running. played with settings and turned them all to minimum (at which point the game changed from looking like a fab space sim like in the magazines, to something from the 1990's) defragged hard drive, messed with grafix settings on desktop, disabled loads of background processes. frap said a get about 12fps sometimes as low as 1fps

    for a game that should look spectacular, but now looks immesurably worse than freelancer, this just ain't good enough. in short it's unlpayable even with the second patch. people in the forums at Ego are talking about a 3rd patch to get the game running.

    Should looked here first, seems like i'm in good company, though why the magazine scores so hi? do they get the same game, or they running it on Cray 50?

    Gameplay should be about enjoyable anticipation, then exciting discovery.
    Many more beta releases like this and it will be more about "pay to test unfinished game, then give up and play something that works"

    The whole experience is very dissapointing. if i could give a negative score i would. feel like someones just nicked $40 dollars outa my wallet and wasted a day of my time - thats not a zero, thats a negative ten.
    Expand
  15. AverageJoe
    Dec 2, 2005
    1
    The game starts well and has so much going for it, but is soon unplayable due to Bugs! Egosoft & Enlight, lots of your customers aren't rich & pay good money trusting they'll receive the descibed product, but all you've done is cripple your reputation to make quick bucks off a Beta product - you really suckered us......hope your happy!
  16. PaulM.
    Jul 31, 2006
    4
    Wow, this could be such a great game, if my computer could only run it at greater than 4 fps. The lack of a good manual did not bother me, I played X2, and the controls are similar. My computer is good enough to play Half life on medium-high settings, but X3 barely runs. I gave the game to my brother, who has a brand new "super computer", just to see what it really looks like. He let me Wow, this could be such a great game, if my computer could only run it at greater than 4 fps. The lack of a good manual did not bother me, I played X2, and the controls are similar. My computer is good enough to play Half life on medium-high settings, but X3 barely runs. I gave the game to my brother, who has a brand new "super computer", just to see what it really looks like. He let me play it for a few hours, and I loved it. My brother finally gave up on the game, he said the learning curve was too high (he has a life), and "the lack of a good manual sucks". If you love open ended space sim game play, and have a "super computer", get the game you will love it. For the rest of you- don't bother! Expand
  17. ColorFinger
    Dec 24, 2007
    3
    Beautiful graphics, but horribly confusing gameplay combined with terrible acting when you finally do catch up with your mission really kill the mood.
  18. AndrewS
    Oct 28, 2007
    5
    I have logged over 150 hours of gameplay. (over a very long time, i do have a life) This is coming from an experienced player, one who loved the game to almost its full extent. I found that this game had so much potential, but the complexity of the interface is what did it to me. Just trying to remotely outfit one freighter so you can let it go off on its own and try to make you some moneyI have logged over 150 hours of gameplay. (over a very long time, i do have a life) This is coming from an experienced player, one who loved the game to almost its full extent. I found that this game had so much potential, but the complexity of the interface is what did it to me. Just trying to remotely outfit one freighter so you can let it go off on its own and try to make you some money while you're out fighting is a daunting task all on its own. The learning curve for the game itself is very steep, and even a basic movie tutorial to go over the controls and basic concepts of the X3 universe would have helped many. the game is beautifully made, and the graphics are outstanding, but it's how you play the game, and how long you have to play the game to get anywhere that's the problem. each and every menu item has at least two ways to get to it. if you want to go to your personal file and change the name of your pilot or something, you spend half an hour rummaging in different menus, just to find the "Pilot" icon and realize that it was the other "Pilot" Icon three pages ago that you needed. everything has you running in circles. For the next x: game that comes out, i strongly suggest that the interface be completely reconstructed to allow for a much simpler menu system, and remote control system for governing your fleet. there is so much potential in this game that remains untapped it is freaking rediculous. i'm not sure what the developpers were thinking when they put this on the shelves. it took me 120 hours to realize that if i was in the same sector as one of my other ships, i could remotely fly it around and do everything in that ship from the safety of my own. Another problem is the amount of time required to get any experience with the races in the game. there were many a night where i had to leave the computer running with 10 laser towers in each sector just to get enough rep to be able to buy a new ship. I still don't have enough experience and race's sectors are the only place i fly in now. If there is going to be another x game, and i'm sure there will be, it'll have to be seriously re-designed to allow for its many functions to be simplistic and user friendly. (wow that last part sounds like i'm writing a microsoft review) Expand
  19. Mobius
    Nov 13, 2005
    2
    For the amount of programing that has gone into this game i will have to say it terrable. i know eve is a online game but its dam better looking that this tripe. i know freelancer maybe older but it has a better story, Take my advice people and wait for christmas 2006.
  20. DCUnited
    Nov 19, 2005
    0
    CD was blank Couldn't install the game No tech support or customer support A BIG THUMBS DOWN!!
  21. jssi_03
    Dec 22, 2006
    0
    This game is the WORSE! GAME I have ever laid eyes on!. The contorls? lol.. don't get me started on how stupid it is. they didn't take the time to configure this game did they? NO they didn't! This gets a BIG FAT 0! The graphics are really the only thing in this game... sort of. The gameplay is horrible! it's really slow! there are over 1,000 controls to get to know! This game is the WORSE! GAME I have ever laid eyes on!. The contorls? lol.. don't get me started on how stupid it is. they didn't take the time to configure this game did they? NO they didn't! This gets a BIG FAT 0! The graphics are really the only thing in this game... sort of. The gameplay is horrible! it's really slow! there are over 1,000 controls to get to know! the story? !!!! there is NONE! it's a meaningless game. If it were a movie or a book! it would never be read cause its like the worse B film in history with horrible actors!... The only way to improve this game is if they make better scenes with good actors! adn get some frikin good artists to make better looking/animated short transmissions. the ones that happen when someone talks to you, plus make more of a veriaty of people... i hate seening the same person over and over again!.... plus there are like 3 movies per person on there lol what a JOKE! I laughed at how much the main charactor resembled a comedian i know of!... The story the gameply and the style are teh soooooooooooo bad it almost made me puke lol.... plus there are too many menus.. not enough game! Expand
  22. goomfish
    Dec 31, 2008
    1
    I Have to agree with others on the controls. They are poo basically. Not enough options to configure the controls the way I want them. & the hat on my joystick didnt work. Awful intructions also. Leaves u confused. Basically i didnt bother playing it much, because it was so VERY user unfreindly at the start. Verdict: Waste of Freakin time.
  23. Sep 16, 2011
    0
    Don't believe the hype: this is EvE Online without the flowcharts. What X3R tries to do has been done better a thousand times before with more realistic everything. I actually bought this game when it came out many years ago and when the computer I intended to play it on died it sat in a box for many years waiting for a machine that could run it. I dug it out recently (being a space freak)Don't believe the hype: this is EvE Online without the flowcharts. What X3R tries to do has been done better a thousand times before with more realistic everything. I actually bought this game when it came out many years ago and when the computer I intended to play it on died it sat in a box for many years waiting for a machine that could run it. I dug it out recently (being a space freak) and thought it'd be worth a bash... but was I ever wrong. The learning curve is beyond vertical with no tutorial and no introductions, Just an endless list of email spam the first time you do something new, and if you can't find your ingame inbox you're out of luck anyway. There doesn't appear to be any way to plot a course, you've got to do it from memory and if you happen to forget one of the totally generic and forgettable names along the way you'll get lost or dock at the wrong base, and forget about issuing orders in a hurry if you're flying with an automated ship.

    Trading is completely inscrutable, prices don't fluctuate nearly as much as the game claims and the only useful profits are small-potatoes on short hops for minimal returns, add to that the fact that there is no easy way to gain freelance work and no real money to be made off contract and the only sane choice left seems to be piracy. But even then it's such a huge grind-fest the game box may as well have contained a pepper mill instead of a DvD.

    The interface is BEYOND disgusting, flight is fine and the addition of inertia to the turns and acceleration is nice, It's not actual newtonian physics but it's nice, but doing everything else that requires doing in a space sim seems to have been made MUCH harder by way of compensating. Navigating the menus seems to require its own manual, and the context dependent keypresses mean that if you're in a menu screen and need to stop in a hurry or turn off the autopilot you're SOL. I have gotten lost in the menus more times than I care to count and it took me half an hour to figure out how to buy stuff, even with help from the game forums.

    The storyline is instantly uninteresting. You're dumped into the middle of a universe sometime after the last instalment, your father in a coma after an encounter with the bad guys, and no reason to care about either his plight or their motivations. You're expected to know how to fly (fairly straightforward) but everything else is left inscrutable and unless you do some reading you'll never learn how. the game has some wonderful innovations (like an economy-tracking device) but they're not worth holding out for. I have seen better work done on every facet of X3s gameplay some of them by indie firms producing free software. This game SHOULD get a 1 just for being a space sim, but what it's doing is poisoning the well by the fact of its every existence. If people think 'X3: reunion' when they think of space sims then the game has done a disservice to the genre.
    Expand
  24. AnonymousMC
    Mar 12, 2008
    9
    This game has a pretty steep learning curve, but if you stick with it, once you get some time into it and get used to its quirks, it can be extremely addictive. The mod community has added a lot of subtle (and not so subtle) much-needed extras to the "vanilla" game.
  25. AnonymousMC
    Jul 29, 2006
    1
    DO NOT BUY THIS GAME. I thought I had done all my research into all the different reviews, and read about the pros and cons to this game. I thought I could get around a challenging interface, but this game SUCKS. Pure and simple. The dogfights are insanely difficult, the plot is there just for show, the targeting system is crippled, the AI is too smart for its own good, it cuts you down atDO NOT BUY THIS GAME. I thought I had done all my research into all the different reviews, and read about the pros and cons to this game. I thought I could get around a challenging interface, but this game SUCKS. Pure and simple. The dogfights are insanely difficult, the plot is there just for show, the targeting system is crippled, the AI is too smart for its own good, it cuts you down at every turn, outsmarts you, outright cheats at times. The manual is nonsensical and is a loose collection of gameplay tips. Finally, this game uses Starforce copy protection. This is easily the most frustrating game I have ever played in my entire life. Do not buy it. The only thing it has going for it is pretty graphics. Expand
  26. AnonymousMC
    Aug 16, 2006
    10
    Very good. Much better than what people are saying about it here. i have had it for weeks and it hasent crashed once. its by far the most stable game i have ever played.
  27. baldric55
    Jun 23, 2007
    0
    This game is complete dung- you cannot change the controls!
  28. AdamC.
    Aug 25, 2007
    10
    This is a slow burning work of genius. people love it and hate it in equal measures. x3 is not about dynamic story amazing combat or cheap thrills its about patience perserverence. and most of all leaving your computer on over night to accumulate credits from your businesses. a game about trading and quick thinking and strategy its slow to get into but when you do it can be the most This is a slow burning work of genius. people love it and hate it in equal measures. x3 is not about dynamic story amazing combat or cheap thrills its about patience perserverence. and most of all leaving your computer on over night to accumulate credits from your businesses. a game about trading and quick thinking and strategy its slow to get into but when you do it can be the most rewarding gaming experience to be had. buy it only if you have a LOT of free time. Expand
  29. Jan 13, 2012
    7
    Played the first Xpansion. Played this one and enjoyed it. Takes time to learn things and especially to get anywhere in the game. This game also prefers specific players - the ones that enjoy slow pace, slow development, and ... space! :)
  30. Jun 10, 2017
    8
    Great game. i have spent a lot of time on this title. It has a great story with memorable characters. Good gameplay and best cut scenes with good dialogs.
  31. Jul 16, 2015
    0
    This is not so much a game as an accountant's version of a space holiday.
    Pirates are ridiculusly powerful. Resources are ridiculously hard to find. There is no plot. There is no point. After over two hundred hours on this I can safely say that this game is poorly designed - meaning that it is not enjoyable, hard to understand and counter-intuitive which results in a frustrating
    This is not so much a game as an accountant's version of a space holiday.
    Pirates are ridiculusly powerful. Resources are ridiculously hard to find. There is no plot. There is no point. After over two hundred hours on this I can safely say that this game is poorly designed - meaning that it is not enjoyable, hard to understand and counter-intuitive which results in a frustrating experience all-around. Definitely an example of what not to do. Go ask the guys who built Galaxy On Fire how to make a space trading game
    Expand
  32. Mar 27, 2017
    1
    Chouette graphiquement et c'est vraiment le seul compliment qu'on pourra lui faire, car pour le reste, on a beau chercher, on ne voit rien de valable dans cette daube intersidérale sidérante d'amateurisme dans ses mécaniques bancales et mal foutues. L'interface est un bordel sans nom et l'ergonomie la plus élémentaire y est bafouée régulièrement avec un aplomb qui laisse pantois. Un étronChouette graphiquement et c'est vraiment le seul compliment qu'on pourra lui faire, car pour le reste, on a beau chercher, on ne voit rien de valable dans cette daube intersidérale sidérante d'amateurisme dans ses mécaniques bancales et mal foutues. L'interface est un bordel sans nom et l'ergonomie la plus élémentaire y est bafouée régulièrement avec un aplomb qui laisse pantois. Un étron injouable. Expand
Metascore
71

Mixed or average reviews - based on 32 Critic Reviews

Critic score distribution:
  1. Positive: 22 out of 32
  2. Negative: 4 out of 32
  1. AceGamez
    100
    By far the most engrossing game released so far this millennium.
  2. The eye candy will lure you in, the gameplay will keep you intrigued and the free-roaming feel will keep you occupied for hours. X3 – Reunion takes the X franchise to new heights.
  3. Boomtown
    80
    X3 is a great game, but if Egosoft grasped the challenge and offered immersion of the type seen in "Freelancer" and similar ship handling, combined with its own beautiful and complex universe, then we might finally have a game that deserves to called the new "Elite."